LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

History shows that victory achieved through "horror" is rarely a victory at all, and often is a defeat for everyone.

History shows that victory achieved through horror is the only lasting victory. Without force, the loyal do not feel secure, but the enemy feels emboldened.

Incrementalism, reform and compromise have much better track records at victory. Willingness to compromise and discuss honestly is a sign of confidence. Forcing your ideas through underhanded and brutish means is a sign that you're not confident they can succeed on their own.

No, it's merely an acknowledgement that all ideas have different advantages and disadvantages, and that the advantage of being easy to slip into power is not the end-all be-all quality of an idea.

It's that age-old old problem - are leaders good at obtaining power good at using it wisely? Likewise, are ideas that are good at succeeding in an environment of compromise and defeatism worthwhile, or are they simply well-adapted to such an environment?

There is no virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, in defining yourself by what they hate. That's dangerous pettiness, not virtue. Virtue is finding which parts you share with your enemy and which parts you differ from them. In doing so you learn not only more about your enemy, but more about yourself.

If you don't find any virtue in becoming the antithesis of your enemy, you've either picked the wrong enemies or the wrong virtues.

Victory achieved through horror very often leads to something way worse than defeat.

An idea that needs to use force and underhandedness to succeed has already displayed two pretty insurmountable disadvantages. The first being it is unable to succeed in the marketplace of ideas (100% unironic use of the phrase, fite me). The second, that it encourages force and underhandedness.

Leaders who obtain power through violence almost never are. Ideas that are good at succeeding with compromose seem pretty good to me. Compromise isn't a dirty word.

I just can't see any large group of people who I am diametrically opposed to on ever single issue. If I was to change my beliefs so that there were, that would just be foolishness.

[Nova Cyberia]

It's not gaslighting to remind you that most of the other here recognized you were wrong. Yet you continue to insist on being wrong.

Loose lips sink ships, chief; like I said, you're nowhere near as sly as you're trying to be by failing to disguise your Nazi rhetoric as something else entirely. I know a bit more than you keep trying to insinuate, just so we're clear.

No you don't lol

[Torrocca]

Loose lips sink ships, chief; like I said, you're nowhere near as sly as you're trying to be by failing to disguise your Nazi rhetoric as something else entirely. I know a bit more than you keep trying to insinuate, just so we're clear.

No you don't lol

Whatever comforts you, lol. Not that it changes anything at all.

[Nova Cyberia]

No you don't lol

Whatever comforts you, lol. Not that it changes anything at all.

But I thought you were done here?

[Torrocca]

Whatever comforts you, lol. Not that it changes anything at all.

But I thought you were done here?

Just wanted to make sure that my last message was clear.

[Crysuko]

Whatever comforts you, lol. Not that it changes anything at all.

But I thought you were done here?

you're a racist and a fascist

[Nova Cyberia]

But I thought you were done here?

Just wanted to make sure that my last message was clear.

No, actually, nothing's ever clear with you.

Now please, run along.

[Conserative Morality]

Victory achieved through horror very often leads to something way worse than defeat.

Success?

An idea that needs to use force and underhandedness to succeed has already displayed two pretty insurmountable disadvantages. The first being it is unable to succeed in the marketplace of ideas (100% unironic use of the phrase, fite me). The second, that it encourages force and underhandedness.

Bad news - good examples do not prevent the use of force and underhandedness by hostile actors. Only force and underhandedness prevents the use of force and underhandedness by hostile actors. No matter how many times you show the Mafia a picture of a whitewashed house with a pickett fence, 2.5 kids and a fluffy little dog, that's not what stops them from executing their deprivations upon society. It is force, righteously wielded, and force alone.

Leaders who obtain power through violence almost never are.

Caesar, Vespasian, Nerva, Aurelian, Julian, Saladin, Cromwell, Washington, Lincoln, Ataturk...

That's not even getting into the problem that all power is MAINTAINED through violence.

Ideas that are good at succeeding with compromose seem pretty good to me. Compromise isn't a dirty word.

It absolutely is. Compromise is the sacrifice of your ideals to satisfy another's. How is that even remotely desirable?

I just can't see any large group of people who I am diametrically opposed to on ever single issue. If I was to change my beliefs so that there were, that would just be foolishness.

All life is a conflict of values, not issues. If you can't find anyone opposed to your values, then you should make sure you have values.

[Nova Cyberia]

But I thought you were done here?

you're a racist and a fascist

[Rostavykhan]

Well, I guess that just means that they're capable of understanding basic humor then.

Try learning from them.

Maybe you should open a dictionary and learn what "humor" means before trying to tell other people that your Nazi rhetoric is humor.

Humour is "the quality of being amusing or comic, especially as expressed in literature or speech."

Or, alternatively, "a mood or state of mind."

Synonyms being "mood, temper, disposition, temperament, frame of mind, state of mind; spirits"

All of which are feelings and mindsets that differ from person to person; in other words, Humour is subjective. Nobody is an objective authority on what constitutes as humorous.

[Torrocca]

Just wanted to make sure that my last message was clear.

No, actually, nothing's ever clear with you.

Now please, run along.

Good; that just makes it easier to know things not being said and certain intentions not being expressed on here. Now I'm done for real.

[Rostavykhan]

LWDT over the last several pages.

[Nova Cyberia]

No, actually, nothing's ever clear with you.

Now please, run along.

Good; that just makes it easier to know things not being said and certain intentions not being expressed on here. Now I'm done for real.

After having sapped every last bit of humor out of the wink smilie.

[Nova Cyberia]

LWDT over the last several pages.

The most accurate description of this thread yet.

[Crysuko]

Good; that just makes it easier to know things not being said and certain intentions not being expressed on here. Now I'm done for real.

After having sapped every last bit of humor out of the wink smilie.

can we hurry up this Minnesota goodbye we have going on here

[Communist Zombie Horde]

But I thought you were done here?

you're a racist and a fascist

HAHA. You can tell a leftist has lost bad when all they can do is use lies wrapped with ad hominem attacks to cover their feelings.

[Crysuko]

you're a racist and a fascist

HAHA. You can tell a leftist has lost bad when all they can do is use lies wrapped with ad hominem attacks to cover their feelings.

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm. it's a pithy remark based on their sig

[Rostavykhan]

you're a racist and a fascist

HAHA. You can tell a leftist has lost bad when all they can do is use lies wrapped with ad hominem attacks to cover their feelings.

TBF I think it might be a joke post, lol.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.

[Cekoviu]

Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.

Coke is disgusting. Let's drink water.

[Crysuko]

Let's all just calm down and... drink a coke.

Coke is disgusting. Let's drink water.

water here is hard as nails. i'll drink tea

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Ohhh and expropriating property isn't authoritarian, right? QED

Not if the Proletariat denies that private property exists.

[Nova Cyberia]

Ohhh and expropriating property isn't authoritarian, right? QED

Not if the Proletariat denies that private property exists.

The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.

[Proctopeo]

Not if the Proletariat denies that private property exists.

The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.

Typically, those who deny its existence aren't even proletariat.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The proletariat doesn't. Much of the proletariat owns private property like, y'know, homes.

Typically, those who deny its existence aren't even proletariat.

The irony.