even though the seizing of property is inherent to all forms of socialism. both libertarian and authoritarian.
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by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:52 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:52 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If he meant to say all users of chapo should be exterminated, why is he insisting that's not what he meant?
As an abstract discussion, people often 'joke' about things they aren't actually joking about, and issue thin denials when confronted. This technique has become sadly common in politics in recent years.
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:52 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:52 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:53 pm
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:53 pm
by Bojikami » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:54 pm
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:56 pm
Torrocca wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:In the original context in which he said it, he appears to have said it because he found your joke lingo to be annoying and to be inspired by Chapo, and saying "chapo should be fumigated" as a way to say he hates capo and it should be banned. Not unlike when you said T_D should be purged. It is a joke. If he meant to say all users of chapo should be exterminated, why is he insisting that's not what he meant?
This downplaying's a bit absurd, even for you, Xen. If, IF it was NC's intent to talk about banning a community, why'd he bother spending numerous posts making precisely zero effort to clarify his position? Why'd he make a post that replied to a post with a context completely separate about any talk over banning communities or whatever?
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:57 pm
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:58 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Crysuko wrote:in what way is seizing property which isn't mutually inclusive with mass killing comparable to genocide which is
So you need to advocate something comparable to mass killing people to be qualified as an authoritarian? You're either going off a tangent or your parameters of authoritarianism are rather... dubious.
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:00 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Torrocca wrote:
This downplaying's a bit absurd, even for you, Xen. If, IF it was NC's intent to talk about banning a community, why'd he bother spending numerous posts making precisely zero effort to clarify his position? Why'd he make a post that replied to a post with a context completely separate about any talk over banning communities or whatever?
He did tru to clarify his position.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:00 pm
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:00 pm
Torrocca wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:He did tru to clarify his position.
No, not at all. Just saying, "iT's iRoNiC!!1!", when pressed and then using a whole slew of half-assed tactics to deflect from what he said, isn't "trying to clarify his position". It's defending the position he already made.
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:01 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:01 pm
Crysuko wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:So you need to advocate something comparable to mass killing people to be qualified as an authoritarian? You're either going off a tangent or your parameters of authoritarianism are rather... dubious.
so directly answering the point you made is going off on a tangent. I think you have your definitions backwards
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:02 pm
Nova Cyberia wrote:Torrocca wrote:
No, not at all. Just saying, "iT's iRoNiC!!1!", when pressed and then using a whole slew of half-assed tactics to deflect from what he said, isn't "trying to clarify his position". It's defending the position he already made.
No, I explained to you several times what I meant. Now you're literally lying.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:02 pm
by Torrocca » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:04 pm
by Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:05 pm
Hanafuridake wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:tbqh you can't really get through to most people, especially those who are partisan but not particularly interested in politics. People follow certainty and determination. You can't meekly come to the table with mewlings of compromise and agreement. You must become their nightmare; become the left-winger they thought you were. Only then will they see true horror, and submit.
This is where my thought process has been heading, tbqh.
I'll make the Tokugawa's look like outright liberals.
by Crysuko » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:05 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Crysuko wrote:so directly answering the point you made is going off on a tangent. I think you have your definitions backwards
You didn't answer me "directly", I said that many people here are authoritarian using advocation of expropriation of property as an example to that and then you started wanting to compare expropriation and mass killings, as if the former wasn't authoritarian simply because it's far from being as bad as defending mass killings.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:06 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:tbqh you can't really get through to most people, especially those who are partisan but not particularly interested in politics. People follow certainty and determination. You can't meekly come to the table with mewlings of compromise and agreement. You must become their nightmare; become the left-winger they thought you were. Only then will they see true horror, and submit.
by The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:06 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
It's true that western conservatives (at least the moderate ones) are liberals. Which makes it all the more funny when they start calling people libtards and the like. While it's true a word's colloquial meaning and academic meaning are different, I feel it would be beter for everyone if "liberal's" colloquial meaning was brought more in line with its academic meaning, as it is already beginning to be.
And what then is used for what we call liberalism in casual modern parlance? Not all liberals are progressives.
by Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:13 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Conserative Morality wrote:tbqh you can't really get through to most people, especially those who are partisan but not particularly interested in politics. People follow certainty and determination. You can't meekly come to the table with mewlings of compromise and agreement. You must become their nightmare; become the left-winger they thought you were. Only then will they see true horror, and submit.
Strongly disagree. There are few noble goals which becoming a nightmare will meaningfully service, and plenty of noble goals which becoming a nightmare will dash completely. Compromise and building bridges are ends of themselves, sometimes even more important than accomplishing your goals. Of you need to become a momster, become a strawman of yourself, what are you even fighting for?
Perhaps I am speaking in platitudes. but you are doing the same only they are pessimistic platitudes rather than optimistic ones.
by Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:13 pm
by Nova Cyberia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:14 pm
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