LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Torrocca]

"I was speaking in metaphorical terms! Clearly I actually meant that the subreddit needs to be banned when I advocated for gassing the community at large!"

But that is what he meant. He did mean banning the subreddit, not slaughtering its users.

You're giving way too much leniency to obvious Nazi rhetoric, tbqh.

[Cekoviu]

Ban Chapo.

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

Ok but that's not what happened.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If all that was necessary for a subreddit to be banned was espousing an ideology that "naturally glorifies and encourages violence", then many more large subreddits would be getting canned, too.
As it stands, the rules aren't being applied evenly from any perspective.

You're right; r/The_Donald, its offshoots, and a lotta other right-wing subreddits in general gotta go. :^)

How about we don't ban any subreddits unless there's a massive endemic problem of the subreddit and its users doing illegal shit.

[Bojikami]

How about we all stop feeding into these instigators who keep posting with no substance ? They'll get bored and leave eventually.

[Nova Cyberia]

Ban Chapo.

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

Yes, yes. But what about banning Chapo, though?

[Yegla Islands]

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

You quite literally have one point, and have been trying to hammer it in for the past dozen pages. Using the same line, repeated over and over. This isn't even debate, because debate implies an attempt at understanding your opponent's viewpoint. You've literally denied everything he's said by going "yes but context doesn't matter, and my interpretation of your shitty joke is objectively correct".

[Torrocca]

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

Ok but that's not what happened.

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

[Crysuko]

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

Yes, yes. But what about banning Chapo, though?

Yes, yes. But what about banning Nova Cyberia, though?

[Darussalam]

"Very large/small number" isn't a qualitative claim. It's a quantitative one.

Kinda? Not really, though.

They're vague but quantitative. The point is not the precise number, but the disproportionate quantity present that renders "binary" as practically applicable term.

The rest you are free to regard as interchangeable phrases - most, overwhelming majority, whatever. It's meant as a numerically-vague, positionally-clear quantification.

99% is literally the opposite of numerically vague. It is a specific number, not a stand-in for anything you want.

I have clarified this previously, so you don't actually accept it?

I consider it about the same as claiming that 99% of people don't think of cockroaches as cute. There's a reason why I consider it trivial. If you don't like it, then I'll concede that using actual numbers is a mistake. But the actual number if I had to approximate is probably closer to it anyway. My point is that it's not particularly relevant. What's the difference between claiming 99% do, 95% do, or an overwhelming majority do? Even actual studies that are actually successfully replicated (a rarity in social justice-laden social sciences) would also have these variances. It's bogging down over semantics. The point is that I consider an overwhelmingly large quantity, not necessarily with a specific number down to seven decimals, as the trivial claim.

If I should spell it out, I think the claim that if you ask random person on the street whether there are just men and women, an overwhelming majority (or whatever) will affirm this, and I have a high certainty on this on par with that most (or whatever) don't think of cockroaches as cute, even without explicit epistemic clarification of [see above] - most people don't really take the 0.5% (or, again, whatever) into account.

You think that. Not the same as it being actually the case, which is what you argued for before.

U-uhh, not really, if I think that, it means the same as I think as it being actually the case.

[Nova Cyberia]

Ok but that's not what happened.

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

[Torrocca]

No amount of downplaying what you actually said is going to change the fact that you openly advocated for gassing your political opposition, hun.

You quite literally have one point, and have been trying to hammer it in for the past dozen pages. Using the same line, repeated over and over. This isn't even debate, because debate implies an attempt at understanding your opponent's viewpoint. You've literally denied everything he's said by going "yes but context doesn't matter, and my interpretation of your shitty joke is objectively correct".

TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.

Hmm.

[Proctopeo]

Ok but that's not what happened.

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

Jesus fucking Christ, Torra, give it a fucking rest. It was just an off-color joke expressing strong distaste for a cancerous online community. You're looking too deep into this to try and make a claim about Nova Cyberia's beliefs that's patently untrue.

[Crysuko]

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

your metaphor paints you in a bad light, to put it mildly.

[Yegla Islands]

TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.

Hmm.

I'm sorry to break this heinous truth to you, but words and phrases can have multiple meanings. There is such a thing as context, and there is such a thing as slang. Variances in expression and vocabulary - such things exist, and you seem to be handily ignoring them all.

[Nova Cyberia]

You quite literally have one point, and have been trying to hammer it in for the past dozen pages. Using the same line, repeated over and over. This isn't even debate, because debate implies an attempt at understanding your opponent's viewpoint. You've literally denied everything he's said by going "yes but context doesn't matter, and my interpretation of your shitty joke is objectively correct".

TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.

Hmm.

Friend, when even other leftists are telling you you've misunderstood me then I think it might be time to consider you're wrong.

[North German Realm]

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.

[Torrocca]

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

Because, clearly, everyone knows that a perfect metaphor for "ban this community" is to explicitly call for the entire community to be gassed. Riiight.

It basically is, though. If NC intended to convey a message about banning a subreddit, he'd've easily and clearly used that amazing dictionary of his and simply said, "ban Chapo," or somesuch statement along those lines.

He didn't, though, and the proof's in his own written words. Nobody fucking says "fumigate this community" as a way to convey a statement about banning a community from a website.

Jesus fucking Christ, Torra, give it a fucking rest. It was just an off-color joke expressing strong distaste for a cancerous online community. You're looking too deep into this to try and make a claim about Nova Cyberia's beliefs that's patently untrue.

Nah, I'm not gonna give it a fucking rest, because it's quite well clearly not a case of an "off-color joke", and all this downplaying on his behalf with this shit's pretty damn atrocious to say the fucking least.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You're giving way too much leniency to obvious Nazi rhetoric, tbqh.

Xen, hun, now's not the time to defend blatant Nazi rhetoric.

it's a red flag the USSR would be proud of. a hint at unsavoury sympathies and beliefs that are not welcome here.

I don't think it is compelling evidence of Nazism. Joking about gassing things, espacially non-human things, is not exclusive to Nazis.

[Crysuko]

TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.

Hmm.

Friend, when even other leftists are telling you you've misunderstood me then I think it might be time to consider you're wrong.

y-you mean other people have different opinions?

[Nova Cyberia]

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.

Yeah, this is the left-wing thread so it makes sense I'd need to walk on eggshells around here.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If that were true, libertarian parties would do much better than they are doing. Granted, liberalism and freedom and capitalism are fairly popular in the west, but that doesn't necessarily translate to libertarianism being popular.

The people among whom it's popular are often too young to vote or have low voter turnout.

That's not really my experience. Young people appear to be quite a lefty demographic. and aside from this one friend who doesn't follow politics that closely, I'm the only young libertarian I know irl.

[Nova Cyberia]

Yeah, all humans talk like Drax and don't use metaphors.

Because, clearly, everyone knows that a perfect metaphor for "ban this community" is to explicitly call for the entire community to be gassed. Riiight.

Jesus fucking Christ, Torra, give it a fucking rest. It was just an off-color joke expressing strong distaste for a cancerous online community. You're looking too deep into this to try and make a claim about Nova Cyberia's beliefs that's patently untrue.

Nah, I'm not gonna give it a fucking rest, because it's quite well clearly not a case of an "off-color joke", and all this downplaying on his behalf with this shit's pretty damn atrocious to say the fucking least.

I didn't know you'd only just discovered what metaphors were.

[Rostavykhan]

> When one dude making a gas joke makes the thread erupt into another multi-page argument.

Absolute. Fucking. Mad. Lad.

[Torrocca]

TIL'd using NC's explicit statement that explicitly calls for gassing an entire community of people is failing to understand their viewpoint.

Hmm.

I'm sorry to break this heinous truth to you, but words and phrases can have multiple meanings. There is such a thing as context, and there is such a thing as slang. Variances in expression and vocabulary - such things exist, and you seem to be handily ignoring them all.

Ah, yes, because, clearly, when the context of that post was to reply to a joke about pepe by unironically advocating for gassing a community of people, he obviously was talking about banning that community.

You're giving way too much leniency to obvious Nazi rhetoric, tbqh.

Xen, hun, now's not the time to defend blatant Nazi rhetoric.

it's a red flag the USSR would be proud of. a hint at unsavoury sympathies and beliefs that are not welcome here.

I don't think it is compelling evidence of Nazism. Joking about gassing things, espacially non-human things, is not exclusive to Nazis.

TIL'd a community of people = non-human things, and unironically advocating for gassing them = a joke.

Xen pls.

[Crysuko]

I mean your so-called metaphor is unnecessary and in very poor taste, to say the least. It's far more likely that you just dropped a supposedly ironic joke in the wrong community and just couldn't say "it was a bad joke, sorry. I just meant ban them" because you're not used to the type of community that protests use of terms such as fumigation as a metaphor for banning.

Yeah, this is the left-wing thread so it makes sense I'd need to walk on eggshells around here.

left does not mean liberal. don't joke about gassing and you'll be fine, but it seems you can't keep your TRIGGER THE LIBS boner in your pants