LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Cekoviu]

But the neolibs have taco trucks on every corner! What do you have to offer me other than a lifetime of sadness?

Camaraderie <3

The neoliberals also have that, along with individualism, sillyhead!

[Kowani]

Camaraderie <3

The neoliberals also have that, along with individualism, sillyhead!

The individual is nothing without the collective.

[Torrocca]

Camaraderie <3

The neoliberals also have that, along with individualism, sillyhead!

Ah, but their camaraderie is with capital, and not with the proletariat like ours is. They've got Rainbow Capitalism^TM, while we've got queer liberation. :3

[Northern Davincia]

I am rather fond of food.

"lololol DAE commies r starve xD"

The right can't meme lmao

That's because it's true.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Are poor attempts at "jokes" and total unawareness of the topic at hand more nourishing than food?

Well, any food at all would be nourishing. Unfortunately, communist states have a long track record of being shit at providing any.

But I get it. Everyone should weigh exactly 82 pounds. Equality!

>"communist states"
Found the oxymoron.

[Ors Might]

At the grocery store I’ve been working at for several months, the store radio has been Rick Rolling me almost every night. Someone put Rick Astley on the playlist.

Does this count as class warfare?

[Nova Cyberia]

Well, any food at all would be nourishing. Unfortunately, communist states have a long track record of being shit at providing any.

But I get it. Everyone should weigh exactly 82 pounds. Equality!

I am not a communist and socialist states generally do better at feeding the population than their predecessors with the exception of Mao, although he wasn't really a Marxist Leninist and more of a revisionist. Revisionist or not, Marxism Leninism, which you refer to as communism, is generally considered more often in underdeveloped countries where the populace is largely unable to purchase education, health care, food, and transportation. The red banner is not magically powered to eliminate any pre-existing problems nor can it avert natural phenomena to the disappointment of many. However, it is worth nothing there are different archetypal scenarios where socialism can arise and be structured. The varying types have little relevance to each other besides military alliances and their focus on solving problems commonly found in undeveloped or more primitive countries induced by popular desperation and dissent. I understand that you are unwilling to have a serious or intellectual discussion and I respect that, but your "comedic material" is lacking so to say.

Which socialist states?

And they are the fault of the communist government if their policies were the reason behind the food shortages.

Which they were in the USSR and China.

[Cekoviu]

The neoliberals also have that, along with individualism, sillyhead!

The individual is nothing without the collective.

In a natural league - like a family, a tribe, a nation, yes, mankind - the individuals have only the value of specimens of the same species or genus; in a spiritual league - like a municipality, a church - the individual signifies only a member of the same spirit; what you are in both cases as a unique person must be - suppressed.

[Cekoviu]

The neoliberals also have that, along with individualism, sillyhead!

Ah, but their camaraderie is with capital, and not with the proletariat like ours is. They've got Rainbow Capitalism^TM, while we've got queer liberation. :3

I don't need to be forcibly liberated thanks

[Soviet Tankistan]

You are better a socialist than a SJW.

Haha no

Yes.

The individual is nothing without the collective.

In a natural league - like a family, a tribe, a nation, yes, mankind - the individuals have only the value of specimens of the same species or genus; in a spiritual league - like a municipality, a church - the individual signifies only a member of the same spirit; what you are in both cases as a unique person must be - suppressed.

It is a good thing that people rarely talk about Stirner seriously.

[Cekoviu]

Yes.

It is a good thing that people rarely talk about Stirner seriously.

Stirner is hit-or-miss, but his quote here excellently shows the issue with your thinking.

[Hanafuridake]

The individual is nothing without the collective.

In a natural league - like a family, a tribe, a nation, yes, mankind - the individuals have only the value of specimens of the same species or genus; in a spiritual league - like a municipality, a church - the individual signifies only a member of the same spirit; what you are in both cases as a unique person must be - suppressed.

So, basically, magical thinking about how the individual somehow exists outside of all of the components that create them.

[Cekoviu]

So, basically, magical thinking about how the individual somehow exists outside of all of the components that create them.

Explain how the individual can possibly be created by community, please. There are no good reasons for that to be the case.

[Torrocca]

Ah, but their camaraderie is with capital, and not with the proletariat like ours is. They've got Rainbow Capitalism^TM, while we've got queer liberation. :3

I don't need to be forcibly liberated thanks

Liberation's a team effort, friendo. :3

[Kowani]

So, basically, magical thinking about how the individual somehow exists outside of all of the components that create them.

Explain how the individual can possibly be created by community, please. There are no good reasons for that to be the case.

Would you be the same person you are without the input of others?

[Cekoviu]

Explain how the individual can possibly be created by community, please. There are no good reasons for that to be the case.

Would you be the same person you are without the input of others?

Personality is irrelevant to the overarching theme of the individual as a whole. Although communities affect self-identity and conceptualization, they do not construct the underlying individual.

[Soviet Tankistan]

So, basically, magical thinking about how the individual somehow exists outside of all of the components that create them.

Explain how the individual can possibly be created by community, please. There are no good reasons for that to be the case.

Individuals are not created but built up or destroyed by society's actions and commonly held beliefs.

[Hanafuridake]

So, basically, magical thinking about how the individual somehow exists outside of all of the components that create them.

Explain how the individual can possibly be created by community, please. There are no good reasons for that to be the case.

Are you unaware of conception and socialization? Or do you believe that your magical individual will somehow exist free and uniquely without being conceived and nurtured?

[Kowani]

Would you be the same person you are without the input of others?

Personality is irrelevant to the overarching theme of the individual as a whole. Although communities affect self-identity and conceptualization, they do not construct the underlying individual.

On a physical level, they do. You are born of the efforts of two people (and if artificial conception was used, even then) which is a small community. The individual does not exist outside of the collective, unless you were a castaway on a desert island.

[Hanafuridake]

Would you be the same person you are without the input of others?

Personality is irrelevant to the overarching theme of the individual as a whole. Although communities affect self-identity and conceptualization, they do not construct the underlying individual.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. To defend individualism, you're denying the importance of one of the core parts of the individual.

[Ors Might]

Personality is irrelevant to the overarching theme of the individual as a whole. Although communities affect self-identity and conceptualization, they do not construct the underlying individual.

On a physical level, they do. You are born of the efforts of two people (and if artificial conception was used, even then) which is a small community. The individual does not exist outside of the collective, unless you were a castaway on a desert island.

Collectives aren’t all that concrete themselves, though. At risk of oversimplifying the concept, a collective is a group of individuals engaging and interacting with each other in some, typically long term, manner. It’s less accurate to say that individuals doesn’t exist outside of collectives so much as they don’t outside of their experiences and circumstances, which does tend to leave them in collectives. However, there is an important distinction to br made here.

You can leave a collective, you can’t leave your experiences.

[Kowani]

On a physical level, they do. You are born of the efforts of two people (and if artificial conception was used, even then) which is a small community. The individual does not exist outside of the collective, unless you were a castaway on a desert island.

Collectives aren’t all that concrete themselves, though. At risk of oversimplifying the concept, a collective is a group of individuals engaging and interacting with each other in some, typically long term, manner. It’s less accurate to say that individuals doesn’t exist outside of collectives so much as they don’t outside of their experiences and circumstances, which does tend to leave them in collectives. However, there is an important distinction to br made here.

You can leave a collective, you can’t leave your experiences.

Fair.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Personality is irrelevant to the overarching theme of the individual as a whole. Although communities affect self-identity and conceptualization, they do not construct the underlying individual.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. To defend individualism, you're denying the importance of one of the core parts of the individual.

Individualism doesn't mean denying the community, it just means not forcing the individual to submit to the community, unless they hurt other members of the community.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

So, basically, magical thinking about how the individual somehow exists outside of all of the components that create them.

No magical than believing that the collective exists outside of all the individuals that create it.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The neoliberals also have that, along with individualism, sillyhead!

The individual is nothing without the collective.

The collective is nothing without the individual.