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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:33 pm

Highever wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:That's okay, I can still work with the low-res version; it's just not ideal.

Ok sorry, I forgot to back up this flag on my phone.

https://imgur.com/a/oNl4AOC
Not gorgeous, but it ought to work.
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Postby Highever » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:35 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Highever wrote:Nah it's the color of social liberals in Denmark.

Ok. How about dark brown?

You mean like the brown house the headquarters of the Nazi Party? Pah, I think NOT.
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Postby Highever » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:38 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Highever wrote:Ok sorry, I forgot to back up this flag on my phone.

https://imgur.com/a/oNl4AOC
Not gorgeous, but it ought to work.

Works perfectly! Thanks!
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:45 pm

Highever wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Ok. How about dark brown?

You mean like the brown house the headquarters of the Nazi Party? Pah, I think NOT.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:00 pm

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Incoming Poster Without Pride Themes!

Beat you to it. I don't think we should have homosexual propaganda on flags. If moderators were unbiased, they would say that it offends Christians just like swastikas offend Jews (although Jews are good people) and leftists (which I don't like). So if feelings decide the rules the right should have a say just like the left. If everyone out a swastika on Hitler birthday people would be offended and there would mass deletion. But when the left celebrates unlawful violence and puts up an offensive symbol the right is powerless. I hope I don't have to see this for too long. It's against my religious and moral beliefs.

Gays didn't kill over six million people and put millions more in dehumanizing concentration camps but go off with this false equivalency, I suppose.

Liriena wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:I hope that the Dalai Lama chooses his next reincarnation to be female like he implied he might.

It would hopefully be a massive win for women's rights in Asia to have a woman be in an important position of spiritual authority and make the Nazis trying to appropriate Buddhism mad. Both of which are absolute wins in my mind.

He seems like a nice fella, but I've embraced Xi Jinping thought so... :P

Well dear friend I'm here to tell you about what happened in 1989 in Tiananmen Sqoapki0a89ui4tg .........

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:02 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Gonna have to see a source on that. :p

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Postby Highever » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:16 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Beat you to it. I don't think we should have homosexual propaganda on flags. If moderators were unbiased, they would say that it offends Christians just like swastikas offend Jews (although Jews are good people) and leftists (which I don't like). So if feelings decide the rules the right should have a say just like the left. If everyone out a swastika on Hitler birthday people would be offended and there would mass deletion. But when the left celebrates unlawful violence and puts up an offensive symbol the right is powerless. I hope I don't have to see this for too long. It's against my religious and moral beliefs.

Gays didn't kill over six million people and put millions more in dehumanizing concentration camps but go off with this false equivalency, I suppose.

Liriena wrote:He seems like a nice fella, but I've embraced Xi Jinping thought so... :P

Well dear friend I'm here to tell you about what happened in 1989 in Tiananmen Sqoapki0a89ui4tg .........

What are you talking about? The systemic targeting and murder of people based on their religion and race is perfectly comparable to his feeling of personal discomfort at the mere fact that homosexuals exist!

Why don't you ask the kids at Tienanmen Square?
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⚦ Through the souls of your brothers and sisters I take My place amongst the Three; through their pleasure I ascend my Throne. Pleasure, for Pleasure's sake! ⚦
Remember Bloody Sunday
A wise man once said, ("We all dead, fuck it")
There's something in the water
Jolthig wrote:Use Soresu and not Juyo.
Charlie Chaplin wrote:Nothing is permanent in this wicked world, not even our troubles.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:49 pm

Highever wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Gays didn't kill over six million people and put millions more in dehumanizing concentration camps but go off with this false equivalency, I suppose.


Well dear friend I'm here to tell you about what happened in 1989 in Tiananmen Sqoapki0a89ui4tg .........

What are you talking about? The systemic targeting and murder of people based on their religion and race is perfectly comparable to his feeling of personal discomfort at the mere fact that homosexuals exist!

Why don't you ask the kids at Tienanmen Square?

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:35 pm

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:48 pm

Torrocca wrote:

Written prose was a mistake
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:49 pm

Torrocca wrote:

You've been BANNED for anti-white racism.
be gay do crime


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:25 pm

Torrocca wrote:

I'm sorry, but there's a lot wrong historically with this meme.
1) Slaves didn't gain their freedom before the Civil War
2) The United States didn't go to war to reinstate slavery, it went to war largely to free the slaves
3) MLK wasn't assassinated by the US government. This is a popular conspiracy theory, but there's zero evidence for it.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:31 pm

Torrocca wrote:

Going from a pseudohistorical, rather inaccurate, depiction of events to literal conspiracy theories in a split second.
Yep, this is the LWDT I signed up for.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

I'm sorry, but there's a lot wrong historically with this meme.
1) Slaves didn't gain their freedom before the Civil War
2) The United States didn't go to war to reinstate slavery, it went to war largely to free the slaves
3) MLK wasn't assassinated by the US government. This is a popular conspiracy theory, but there's zero evidence for it.

This.


I also haven't heard of the lead thing.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:32 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

I'm sorry, but there's a lot wrong historically with this meme.
1) Slaves didn't gain their freedom before the Civil War


I mean, some did here and there, but I'm pretty sure whoever wrote this didn't want to make it even longer by explaining that Lincoln was seen as a threat to the interests of slave-owners.

2) The United States didn't go to war to reinstate slavery, it went to war largely to free the slaves


I'm pretty sure it's referring to the fact that the USA broke in half into a civil war, which, by all means technically means the USA fought itself both to keep and end slavery.

3) MLK wasn't assassinated by the US government. This is a popular conspiracy theory, but there's zero evidence for it.


True.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:17 pm

Highever wrote:
Liriena wrote:Red too. It's a communist color and communism killed a quadrillion people.

Dont forget white, I'm pretty sure the Come and Take It flag of the Texan revolution is offensive because they were often slaveholders.

Maybe yellow is okay.

Thus thread is now property of the yellow gang.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Highever wrote:Dont forget white, I'm pretty sure the Come and Take It flag of the Texan revolution is offensive because they were often slaveholders.

Maybe yellow is okay.

Thus thread is now property of the yellow gang.

The Imperial Ming were fond of the color yellow. No yellow.

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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:23 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Thus thread is now property of the yellow gang.

The Imperial Ming were fond of the color yellow. No yellow.


The Qing were much better for they had the Banner of the Blue Dragon.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:36 am

Nakena wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The Imperial Ming were fond of the color yellow. No yellow.


The Qing were much better for they had the Banner of the Blue Dragon.

Yes, but the Qing were dangerously incompetent.
Besides, blue is Imperial Britain, and that has enough atrocities.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:38 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Thus thread is now property of the yellow gang.

The Imperial Ming were fond of the color yellow. No yellow.

The Imperial Ming have good taste in colour. Therefore, they did nothing wrong.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:55 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The Imperial Ming were fond of the color yellow. No yellow.

The Imperial Ming have good taste in colour. Therefore, they did nothing wrong.

Apart from the absolutist monarchy, I suppose.

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Postby North German Realm » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:57 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:The Imperial Ming have good taste in colour. Therefore, they did nothing wrong.

Apart from the absolutist monarchy, I suppose.

Suggesting they had enough control over their own 'vassal states' to be absolute anything.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:59 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:The Imperial Ming have good taste in colour. Therefore, they did nothing wrong.

Apart from the absolutist monarchy, I suppose.

But yellow tho...
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Postby Duhon » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:08 am

Today is June 4. Thirty years. Thirty fucking years.

You know what this means.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:32 am

Duhon wrote:Today is June 4. Thirty years. Thirty fucking years.

You know what this means.

30 years since what? You're not insinuating anything happened on that date, are you?
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Postby Painisia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:34 am

Duhon wrote:Today is June 4. Thirty years. Thirty fucking years.

You know what this means.



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