LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Oh make no mistake I'm not a socialist, whilst my views on things economically have shifted leftwards I still firmly am an anti-communist and anti-socialist. I've just become more in favor of wealth caps and nationalization and whatnot. People should still be able to become comfortably wealthy, but there comes a point when your own wealth could be put to better use for other people in the nation.

Is it wealth that other people have worked for?

I don't care about who worked for it, I care about how it can best be used.

"Conservative" in this sense being the usual sort of shit espoused by Ronald Reagan inspired right wingers here in the States.



Oh make no mistake I'm not a socialist, whilst my views on things economically have shifted leftwards I still firmly am an anti-communist and anti-socialist. I've just become more in favor of wealth caps and nationalization and whatnot. People should still be able to become comfortably wealthy, but there comes a point when your own wealth could be put to better use for other people in the nation.

My views are similar, I have little interest in "revenge" on the rich, I think it is more important to assist the unfortunate and find ways to help make them self sufficient and to keep the Rich's wealth in the community (no overseas banking, no outsourcing).

Overseas banking is tantamount to treason tbh

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Oh make no mistake I'm I don't care about who worked for it, I care about how it can best be used.

It matters little to what use you think you can put other people's posessions, they are other people's posessions. Thinking you would put something to better use thatn its current owner and then advocating it be taken from that owner smacks of ego and megalomania.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't care about who worked for it, I care about how it can best be used.

It matters little to what use you think you can put other people's posessions, they are other people's posessions. Thinking you would put something to better use thatn its current owner and then advocating it be taken from that owner smacks of ego and megalomania.

Or, you know, common sense.

[Hanafuridake]

It matters little to what use you think you can put other people's posessions, they are other people's posessions. Thinking you would put something to better use thatn its current owner and then advocating it be taken from that owner smacks of ego and megalomania.

Or, you know, common sense.

No, we have to let rich people with more money than they'll ever know what to do with continue to hoard their financial resources and use interest groups to undermine democratic decision making through corporate lobbies. At least until global warming kills us all.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Or, you know, common sense.

No, we have to let rich people with more money than they'll ever know what to do with continue to hoard their financial resources and use interest groups to undermine democratic decision making through corporate lobbies. At least until global warming kills us all.

Join me in the self sufficiency gang Hana and the rich will never beat us.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It matters little to what use you think you can put other people's posessions, they are other people's posessions. Thinking you would put something to better use thatn its current owner and then advocating it be taken from that owner smacks of ego and megalomania.

Or, you know, common sense.

Thinking you know better than others isn't common sense, it's the root of authoritarianism. And it's often incorrect, as the person who knows most about you is you, and thus you are the person most likely to know what's good for you, assuming you are sane and have a decent IQ.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Or, you know, common sense.

Thinking you know better than others isn't common sense, it's the root of authoritarianism. And it's often incorrect, as the person who knows most about you is you, and thus you are the person most likely to know what's good for you, assuming you are sane and have a decent IQ.

Sure, but I'm not trying to do what's good for the rich. I want to do what's best for the homeless and massively poverty stricken.

[Petrolheadia]

Thinking you know better than others isn't common sense, it's the root of authoritarianism. And it's often incorrect, as the person who knows most about you is you, and thus you are the person most likely to know what's good for you, assuming you are sane and have a decent IQ.

Sure, but I'm not trying to do what's good for the rich. I want to do what's best for the homeless and massively poverty stricken.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[Kowani]

Sure, but I'm not trying to do what's good for the rich. I want to do what's best for the homeless and massively poverty stricken.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Except, you know, the countries that do some limited wealth redistribution tend to do better on the whole “pulling oneself up by one’s bootstraps” thing.

[Petrolheadia]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Except, you know, the countries that do some limited wealth redistribution tend to do better on the whole “pulling oneself up by one’s bootstraps” thing.

Better for whom? And for how long?

[Kowani]

Except, you know, the countries that do some limited wealth redistribution tend to do better on the whole “pulling oneself up by one’s bootstraps” thing.

Better for whom? And for how long?

The general populace? And what do you mean, “for how long”?

[Cappuccina]

Thinking you know better than others isn't common sense, it's the root of authoritarianism. And it's often incorrect, as the person who knows most about you is you, and thus you are the person most likely to know what's good for you, assuming you are sane and have a decent IQ.

Sure, but I'm not trying to do what's good for the rich. I want to do what's best for the homeless and massively poverty stricken.

That's pandering.

If we're wanting to create a system that's made to benefit society as a whole, it must also include what is good for the wealthy. We should strive for the wealthy remaining wealthy, and the poor becoming more wealthy, not impoverishing the rich and giving handouts...that doesn't fix the problem.

[First American Empire]

Except, you know, the countries that do some limited wealth redistribution tend to do better on the whole “pulling oneself up by one’s bootstraps” thing.

Better for whom? And for how long?

For everyone. And for as long as they keep doing that wealth redistribution.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Sure, but I'm not trying to do what's good for the rich. I want to do what's best for the homeless and massively poverty stricken.

That's pandering.

If we're wanting to create a system that's made to benefit society as a whole, it must also include what is good for the wealthy. We should strive for the wealthy remaining wealthy, and the poor becoming more wealthy, not impoverishing the rich and giving handouts...that doesn't fix the problem.

It's not a completely zero-sum game, true. But anything much more than a token improvement of the standards of living for the majority will require a quite fundamental restructuring of the current economic system, which by deliberate design serves the interests of a small very wealthy minority. And if that systematic advantage is removed or reduced, the amounts of wealth that minority is able to hold will reduce accordingly.

[Petrolheadia]

Sure, but I'm not trying to do what's good for the rich. I want to do what's best for the homeless and massively poverty stricken.

That's pandering.

If we're wanting to create a system that's made to benefit society as a whole, it must also include what is good for the wealthy. We should strive for the wealthy remaining wealthy, and the poor becoming more wealthy, not impoverishing the rich and giving handouts...that doesn't fix the problem.

That's what I want. Everyone progressing on their own accord, not off others' backs.

[Kowani]

That's pandering.

If we're wanting to create a system that's made to benefit society as a whole, it must also include what is good for the wealthy. We should strive for the wealthy remaining wealthy, and the poor becoming more wealthy, not impoverishing the rich and giving handouts...that doesn't fix the problem.

That's what I want. Everyone progressing on their own accord, not off others' backs.

Which the current system doesn’t do.

[Nova Cyberia]

That's what I want. Everyone progressing on their own accord, not off others' backs.

Which the current system doesn’t do.

Nor would your system do either, tbh.

[Kowani]

Which the current system doesn’t do.

Nor would your system do either, tbh.

Well. My idealized system is a postcapitalist, postnational one, in which things are done by automation and the basic concept of currency is no more. The concerns here are not quite the same.
However my pragmatic one is a European Social Democracy which would allow for all to progress.

[Torrocca]

Oh make no mistake I'm not a socialist

My boi, you're this close to greatness. Eat the rich with the rest of us; all belongs to all of us. ;~;

[Kowani]

Oh make no mistake I'm not a socialist

My boi, you're this close to greatness. Eat the rich with the rest of us; all belongs to all of us. ;~;

Girl, you’re an anarchist. I’m neither of the two, but even I know socialism and anarchism aren’t the same thing.

[Nova Cyberia]

Nor would your system do either, tbh.

Well. My idealized system is a postcapitalist, postnational one, in which things are done by automation and the basic concept of currency is no more. The concerns here are not quite the same.
However my pragmatic one is a European Social Democracy which would allow for all to progress.

Automation won't eliminate the need to work, fam.

[Kowani]

Well. My idealized system is a postcapitalist, postnational one, in which things are done by automation and the basic concept of currency is no more. The concerns here are not quite the same.
However my pragmatic one is a European Social Democracy which would allow for all to progress.

Automation won't eliminate the need to work, fam.

What fields would still require people?

[Nova Cyberia]

Automation won't eliminate the need to work, fam.

What fields would still require people?

I don't know.

But that's the thing, you can't always predict new job creation.

Many people during the Industrial Revolution thought machines were going to steal their jobs. They didn't realize that the machines just created new jobs that needed to be filled.

[Kowani]

What fields would still require people?

I don't know.

But that's the thing, you can't always predict new job creation.

Many people during the Industrial Revolution thought machines were going to steal their jobs. They didn't realize that the machines just created new jobs that needed to be filled.

Except the Technological Revolution is of a fundamentally different nature than anything that preceded it. Unlike before, this one does not just do the work, it makes those that do the work. The new jobs created, whatever they may be, if they can be done by humans, they can be done by machines.

[Petrolheadia]

Nor would your system do either, tbh.

Well. My idealized system is a postcapitalist, postnational one, in which things are done by automation and the basic concept of currency is no more.

As realistic as Keith Moon just walking into my room right now and doing a drum solo there.