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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 6:52 pm

Torrocca wrote:

My day is ruined.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:01 pm

Torrocca wrote:

Even though I'm not an anarchist, I can definitely appreciate high quality ancom memery when I see it. Nice find.
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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:02 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

My day is ruined.

My day was made. This is a beautiful meme.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 7:03 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My day is ruined.

My day was made. This is a beautiful meme.

You folks are weird.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Nationality: Australian
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:05 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:My day was made. This is a beautiful meme.

You folks are weird.

This is the LWDT, what did you expect?
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:08 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:

My day is ruined.


Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:09 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My day is ruined.


Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:12 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.


All belongs to all!
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 7:15 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:You folks are weird.

This is the LWDT, what did you expect?

I know, but... Canada tho?
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Nationality: Australian
Gender: MTF trans woman (she/her)
Political Ideology: If "milktoast liberalism" had a baby with "bleeding-heart libertarianism."
Discord: mellotronyellow

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:My day is ruined.


Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Nationality: Australian
Gender: MTF trans woman (she/her)
Political Ideology: If "milktoast liberalism" had a baby with "bleeding-heart libertarianism."
Discord: mellotronyellow

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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:18 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is the LWDT, what did you expect?

I know, but... Canada tho?

The revolution is international.

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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:19 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."

There are free audiobook and e-book versions online that you can download. For free. No strings attached. Free. Totally 100% free.

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Postby Nakena » Tue May 21, 2019 7:19 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know, but... Canada tho?

The revolution is international.


Weren't you also bioregionalist?

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:20 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."


Yay! :3
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NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This is the LWDT, what did you expect?

I know, but... Canada tho?

Canada is the pinnacle of libertarian socialism, ya Kiwi.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."

Also because it contains some great bread (both flatbread and uprising) recipes, I hope?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Tue May 21, 2019 7:21 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Get on that Bread Book train, girl, and no longer will your day be ruined!

Well, it'll probably get ruined anyway by the atrocities of Capitalism and the state, but I digress.

The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.


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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:The Bread Book is a literary masterpiece on par with the works of Shakespeare, tbh.


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Given how skinny they look they might need more bread.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Benuty wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
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Given how skinny they look they might need more bread.

That actually lines up pretty well with implementations of communism in the past...
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I know, but... Canada tho?

Canada is the pinnacle of libertarian socialism, ya Kiwi.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Okay, I will read Conquest of Bread, but only because you called me "girl."

Also because it contains some great bread (both flatbread and uprising) recipes, I hope?

The only pinnacle of libertarian socialism is the Soviets under the libertarian branch of the party in Fuhrerreich.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:29 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Benuty wrote:Given how skinny they look they might need more bread.

That actually lines up pretty well with implementations of communism in the past...


>TFW the USSR and whatnot never actually implemented Communism but Commies of all stripes get bullied relentlessly regardless because of the association

Cek pls ;~;
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They call me Torra, but you can call me... anytime (☞⌐■_■)☞
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:30 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:That actually lines up pretty well with implementations of communism in the past...


>TFW the USSR and whatnot never actually implemented Communism but Commies of all stripes get bullied relentlessly regardless because of the association

Cek pls ;~;

Ignoring the potential for a no true Scotsman here Lenin tried, died, and then Stalin floored the founder's vision into a nightmarish industrial hellscape.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>TFW the USSR and whatnot never actually implemented Communism but Commies of all stripes get bullied relentlessly regardless because of the association

Cek pls ;~;

Ignoring the potential for a no true Scotsman here Lenin tried, died, and then Stalin floored the founder's vision into a nightmarish industrial hellscape.


I mean, it's really not a No True Scotsman to say Communism wasn't implemented in the USSR or the other Marxist-Leninist countries, but otherwise, yeah, Stalin went fucking bonkers destroying any chance of it happening.
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NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:32 pm

On the topic of Lenin while I disagree with him on quite a lot his attempt to preserve Russian art, and intellectual culture following the revolution is somewhat interesting. Apparently, his contemporaries thought Russians degenerate, and in order to truly accomplish the party goals they needed to introduce a westernized culture.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 21, 2019 7:34 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Benuty wrote:Ignoring the potential for a no true Scotsman here Lenin tried, died, and then Stalin floored the founder's vision into a nightmarish industrial hellscape.


I mean, it's really not a No True Scotsman to say Communism wasn't implemented in the USSR or the other Marxist-Leninist countries, but otherwise, yeah, Stalin went fucking bonkers destroying any chance of it happening.

I mean let us be honest the marxist-Leninists tried, and failed spectacularly. Not so much as the Maoists who basically created nazi's in the making with a lot of their followers fetishizing ethnic identity to the extreme.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 21, 2019 7:36 pm

Nakena wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:The revolution is international.


Weren't you also bioregionalist?

I don't believe I know what a bioregionalist is.

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