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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 9:35 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?

I am saying bomb syria with planes.

Yes, all factions in Syria are pretty bad, but bombing everything will only make it worse.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat May 18, 2019 9:39 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why is Rojava worse? And why does Rojava need to be bombed?

I am saying bomb syria with planes.


Kamikaze runs or planes that fire other smaller planes as projectiles both seem a bit inefficient. I'd suggest bombing them with bombs.
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Postby First American Empire » Sat May 18, 2019 9:39 am

Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.



No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 am

Holy crap... Okay, so, another quick update on the absolute state of the Argie left in the run up to our general elections.

We've officially got Peronist unity now. Cristina Fernandez just pulled the mother of all card tricks and endorsed Alberto Fernandez, one of her late husband's old loyalists, as candidate for president, with her as his running mate. She gets to be the magnanimous leader who relinquished leadership to a more traditional Peronist candidate while also still being able to have a protagonistic role in the upcoming campaign and, potentially, the presidency. Two other Peronists who were going to contest the Peronist presidential nomination immediately dropped out of the race. And not only that, but the neolibs of Cambiemos also got caught completely off guard by the announcement and are now forced to consider changing their electoral strategy.

As for the unequivocally leftist fellas of the Worker's Left Front... well, as usual, they still suck at actually fostering left unity. Their attempt to form a coalition with Zamora, a very old Bernie-style socialist, fell apart and, as usual, a bunch of increasingly small left-wing parties are trying to form their own little coalitions separate from the Worker's Left Front because why try to present a viable alternative to Peronism when you can just waste all your political energy trying to steal the Worker's Left Front meager thunder.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:41 am

First American Empire wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.



No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

Stop, I can only get so erect!
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Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat May 18, 2019 9:42 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:counterpoint: give Syria to the Assyrians

The us would need to help the. fix syria.

How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:42 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:I am saying bomb syria with planes.

Yes, all factions in Syria are pretty bad, but bombing everything will only make it worse.

A rightist revolution probably wouldn’t work so bombing is the second option.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:43 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Yes, all factions in Syria are pretty bad, but bombing everything will only make it worse.

A rightist revolution

You already had that in Syria: the Islamist opposition and ISIS. And look how that turned out.
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:44 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Because they are bad and can’t do good things. There are no good factions in Syria.

counterpoint: give Syria to the Assyrians

I don't find city walls made with the flayed skin of defeated foes aesthetically pleasing, so I'll pass.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The us would need to help the. fix syria.

How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.

Evil American fascist imperialism always ruining our communist utopia!
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Sat May 18, 2019 9:46 am

Liriena wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:A rightist revolution

You already had that in Syria: the Islamist opposition and ISIS. And look how that turned out.

Well they were islamists.
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:49 am

First American Empire wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.



No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.



So you want arabs to be oppressed again.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... SKCN1S40RD

I guess it's okay that the kurds can become economic manipulators, I guess it's okay for a historically oppress groups to oppress other people.
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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 9:50 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.

Evil American fascist imperialism always ruining our communist utopia!

Mostly correct, yes.

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:
Liriena wrote:You already had that in Syria: the Islamist opposition and ISIS. And look how that turned out.

Well they were islamists.

Which is the Muslim equivalent of the Christian right. :)
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:51 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communist Zombie Horde wrote:The us would need to help the. fix syria.

How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.



I agree, the thirst for oil is already too much, and has cause a dangerous refugee crisis.
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List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Communal concils
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 9:53 am

Liriena wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

Stop, I can only get so erect!



So Rojava is rainbow land. It's a magical place in which everyone jumps around and hold hands in a meadow. apparently, it doesn't have any meaningful flaws, it's just candy land.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Liriena » Sat May 18, 2019 10:02 am

Communal concils wrote:
Liriena wrote:Stop, I can only get so erect!



So Rojava is rainbow land. It's a magical place in which everyone jumps around and hold hands in a meadow. apparently, it doesn't have any meaningful flaws, it's just candy land.

Strawmen are bad, yo.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby New yugoslavaia » Sat May 18, 2019 10:11 am

Communal concils wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:How about the US keeps it grubby not so little hands out of the middles east. They've already caused enough damage.



I agree, the thirst for oil is already too much, and has cause a dangerous refugee crisis.


"But muh (((globalusts))!"
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well...we don't actually know. Just sort of happened one day.
Is it a reunited Yugoslavia in the 21st century? Is a rebel colony world in the far future? Is it a race of cyborg neo-life at war with any assimilating organisms they come across in the far far future? Who knows, who cares?
New Yugoslavia just is.

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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:16 am

Liriena wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

So Rojava is rainbow land. It's a magical place in which everyone jumps around and hold hands in a meadow. apparently, it doesn't have any meaningful flaws, it's just candy land.

Strawmen are bad, yo.



well, it is not a straw men. You obviously declared Rojava is a great society. yet, You seem to treat it as the best, greatest and wonderful fraction in Syria. So, I declare that many anarchist are living in a fantasy, a fantasy that this society matches 100% with their values.

Honestly, I don't see how imprisonment, and displacement are libertarian values.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 10:16 am

Liriena wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

Stop, I can only get so erect!

Same and I'm a woman
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Postby Communal concils » Sat May 18, 2019 10:21 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:
Communal concils wrote:

I agree, the thirst for oil is already too much, and has cause a dangerous refugee crisis.


"But muh (((globalusts))!"

`

Well, The refugee crisis is a bad thing. These people didn't want to go to the west. They were force to leave their homes because of wars, many of these middle eastern wars are cause by NATO.

When they reach the west, they suffer low wages and discrimination. Honestly, mass immigration is embraced by capitalist, because they can have workers for low wages and for free labor. They feed of tragedies, and disguise it as a noble act.
Woke Leftist: Anti-Liberal Leftist

List of liberal or semi-liberal ideologies to avoid: "Left"-communism, trotskyism, Intersectionalism, anarchism,classical liberal, social liberalism and economic liberalism( conservatives are addicted to this)

Become anti-woke, and free yourself from the lies of mainstream corporate consumerist media.you should also become an anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist. Embrace socialism( the command economy is better.)
NOTE: Make Cultural Marxism a Real Thing !

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 10:24 am

First American Empire wrote:
Communal concils wrote:Does anyone hope that Rojava gets reconquered by Syria.



No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
First American Empire wrote:

No. I'm hoping that Syria gets conquered by Rojava.

How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?

If only civilization operated that way.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 10:30 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:How about nobody conquers anyone and everyone calms down?

If only civilization operated that way.

But all you need is love!
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 18, 2019 10:31 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:If only civilization operated that way.

But all you need is love!

Which I will never get. ;~;
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat May 18, 2019 10:34 am

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:But all you need is love!

Which I will never get. ;~;

Don't say that. :hug:
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
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