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Which Book on Leftist Ideology is Your Preferred Book?

The Communist Manifesto (Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels)
23
18%
The Conquest of Bread (Peter Kropotkin)
24
19%
Das Kapital (Karl Marx)
21
16%
What is Property? (Pierre-Joseph Proudhon)
2
2%
Guerilla Warfare (Che Guevara)
8
6%
Mutual Aid (Peter Kropotkin)
2
2%
Profit Over People (Noam Chomsky)
4
3%
The Ego and Its Own (Max Stirner)
8
6%
Debt: The First 5,000 Years (David Graeber)
5
4%
Other (Please Explain)
32
25%
 
Total votes : 129

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 16, 2019 10:43 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Personally, I see little difference between many proposals for market socialism and social democracy.

That's because they're both better than Socialism.
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Postby Cerinda » Fri May 17, 2019 2:20 am

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Postby Duhon » Fri May 17, 2019 2:24 am

The irony of going after the one segment of the population that really, really likes the institution of marriage, because cultural Marxism.

Also, lol at Immanuelsen.

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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri May 17, 2019 5:43 am

Cerinda wrote:


Some reactionary: *doesn't like something* REEEE MARXISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby West Leas Oros 2 » Fri May 17, 2019 5:44 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Certainly. And of course, i'm viewing this from the standpoint of dialectics. The end goal being "true communism", but market socialism is a very solid system.


Of course, market socialists don't agree among themselves. Ehere [typo edit: There] are many completing approaches to market socialism. Personally, I see little difference between many proposals for market socialism and social democracy.

True, but when someone advocates true market socialism, its quite uplifting.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 6:10 am

West Leas Oros 2 wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Of course, market socialists don't agree among themselves. Ehere [typo edit: There] are many completing approaches to market socialism. Personally, I see little difference between many proposals for market socialism and social democracy.

True, but when someone advocates true market socialism, its quite uplifting.

But what is "true" market socialism?
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Economic: 0.5
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Postby Painisia » Fri May 17, 2019 8:02 am

Torrocca wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>Hoxhaist
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I'll fight you from my well-fortified concrete defensive position! >:c



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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri May 17, 2019 8:03 am

Hey, isn't the alt right trying to appropriate the LGBT flag? If so, should the left do the same with one of their things? Maybe the happy merchant or the bundle?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well, this happened because after a failed attempt at a corporatocracy, Serbia was left with a pseudo-nationalist government which was incompetent to say the least. Following a revolution, a slightly authoritarian social democracy was established. More nations were incorporated as time went on. Now it's slightly-self sustaining and technologic advanced.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 8:06 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:Hey, isn't the alt right trying to appropriate the LGBT flag? If so, should the left do the same with one of their things? Maybe the happy merchant or the bundle?

Are you talking about the "take back the rainbow" clownworld thing? That's just a trash meme, not a dedicated attempt to reclaim the LGBT flag.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 17, 2019 8:26 am

Buzzfeed editor gives a crash course on why the triple parentheses became a thing, putting out a tweet saying his tweet about how people should kill white men was a joke and anyway he's white while pulling a "Hello fellow white people" shapeshifting Jew thing where he talks about white privilege and shared experience, need to reflect and so on, immediately shut down with people quoting him saying that as a Jew he doesn't have white privilege and isn't white.

Just saying.
It has its place in very specific circumstances, same as, "Hello fellow white people".
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 8:28 am

Cerinda wrote:


Peter Sweden's whole shtick seems to be threatening me with a good time and I'm thankful for his continued existence.
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 8:32 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:Hey, isn't the alt right trying to appropriate the LGBT flag? If so, should the left do the same with one of their things? Maybe the happy merchant or the bundle?

I've long been an advocate for the left appropriating Pepe. Pepe is a worker.

As far as the alt right's attempt to appropriate the pride colors go, though, I don't see that being a massive success anywhere in the near future. As usual, far righters are too incompetent to actually keep the quiet part of their ideology quiet, and their memery is forced like hell. Honkler is already tainted (and was a rather pathetic "GAMERSRISEUP" kind of meme to begin with). And if the alt right thinks they can beat LGBT+ people in a meme war, they're in for a shock.
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 8:33 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Buzzfeed editor gives a crash course on why the triple parentheses became a thing, putting out a tweet saying his tweet about how people should kill white men was a joke and anyway he's white while pulling a "Hello fellow white people" shapeshifting Jew thing where he talks about white privilege and shared experience, need to reflect and so on, immediately shut down with people quoting him saying that as a Jew he doesn't have white privilege and isn't white.

Just saying.
It has its place in very specific circumstances, same as, "Hello fellow white people".

I wish the workers of Buzzfeed News would just seize the whole thing and turn it into a nice co-op that does nothing but journalism.
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 8:33 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:Buzzfeed editor gives a crash course on why the triple parentheses became a thing, putting out a tweet saying his tweet about how people should kill white men was a joke and anyway he's white while pulling a "Hello fellow white people" shapeshifting Jew thing where he talks about white privilege and shared experience, need to reflect and so on, immediately shut down with people quoting him saying that as a Jew he doesn't have white privilege and isn't white.

Just saying.
It has its place in very specific circumstances, same as, "Hello fellow white people".

I think that Jews are white. But if he was on record saying that because he was a Jew he doesn't have white privilege, it seems quite flip-floppy of him.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 17, 2019 9:00 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Buzzfeed editor gives a crash course on why the triple parentheses became a thing, putting out a tweet saying his tweet about how people should kill white men was a joke and anyway he's white while pulling a "Hello fellow white people" shapeshifting Jew thing where he talks about white privilege and shared experience, need to reflect and so on, immediately shut down with people quoting him saying that as a Jew he doesn't have white privilege and isn't white.

Just saying.
It has its place in very specific circumstances, same as, "Hello fellow white people".

I think that Jews are white. But if he was on record saying that because he was a Jew he doesn't have white privilege, it seems quite flip-floppy of him.


It's not flip-floppy in context. It's an example of how some Jews who are progressives often gaslight people and use these kind of tricks to deflect criticism. "My racist screed against white people doesn't count, because I'm white, but i'm not white when It suits me and I don't need to follow the rules I set".

It is an aspect of progressive ideology and its tactics and how it is harmful/insincere. Whether or not a Jew is white is irrelevant, a gentile White cannot force anyone to admit it, much the same as you cannot force someone operating in bad faith to operate in good faith.

Buzzfeed is an example of where triple parentheses should be used, same as content written by a neo-nazi posing as a black person routinely to suggest they riot for civil rights and only marry their own kind because white people are lame amirite? should come with a warning label.

A Jew who is simultaneously white and not white when it suits him and routinely pushes a "Hello fellow white people" angle to justify the most extreme anti-white rhetoric, ideology, and positions, should come with a warning label. Applying those standards you see a few other notable publications that should come with it too.
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 9:11 am

Speaking of Jewish people, being white and all that jazz... I am seeing a lot of left-wing pushback online against a couple of common tactics of what I would call liberal progressivism.

The usual suspect, of course, is a fraction of the woke side of Twitter desperately trying to outwoke Bernie Sanders by pointing the finger at his age, gender and skin tone as disqualifiers. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere other than its own sad circle-jerk, specially when every candidate who might get woke points on identity alone is not doing a great job of accompaining their identity with actual socially and economically progressive policy.

Then there's the Alabama thing. As I've come to expect, a major liberal talking point is that men are voting for these anti-abortion laws, but little by little some people on the left are pushing back and pointing out that, in fact, a lot of the grassroots activism against reproductive rights is carried out by conservative women, and a woman signed that Alabama bill into law. I still think there's legitimacy to the idea that decisions on women's reproductive health should prioritize the insights of those who'd be directly affected it (chiefly, women), but not to the extent of assuming as a matter of principle that gender inherently determines one's tendency to be on the right or wrong side of this debate.
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Political compass stuff:
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 9:11 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I think that Jews are white. But if he was on record saying that because he was a Jew he doesn't have white privilege, it seems quite flip-floppy of him.


It's not flip-floppy in context. It's an example of how some Jews who are progressives often gaslight people and use these kind of tricks to deflect criticism. "My racist screed against white people doesn't count, because I'm white, but i'm not white when It suits me and I don't need to follow the rules I set".

It is an aspect of progressive ideology and its tactics and how it is harmful/insincere. Whether or not a Jew is white is irrelevant, a gentile White cannot force anyone to admit it, much the same as you cannot force someone operating in bad faith to operate in good faith.

Buzzfeed is an example of where triple parentheses should be used, same as content written by a neo-nazi posing as a black person routinely to suggest they riot for civil rights and only marry their own kind because white people are lame amirite? should come with a warning label.

A Jew who is simultaneously white and not white when it suits him and routinely pushes a "Hello fellow white people" angle to justify the most extreme anti-white rhetoric, ideology, and positions, should come with a warning label. Applying those standards you see a few other notable publications that should come with it too.

Has that person in particular ever claimed himself to be non-white by virtue of being a Jew? If not, I don't see how his Jewishness matters.
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Economic: 0.5
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I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 9:14 am

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxftgrvHZoS/

Taika Waititi continues to be the best thing ever
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 9:19 am

Liriena wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BxftgrvHZoS/

Taika Waititi continues to be the best thing ever

I love Taika, but that kinda seems like either a very weird principle or a very poor excuse. Researching Hitler is not an endorsement of Hitler.
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I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 9:22 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Liriena wrote:https://www.instagram.com/p/BxftgrvHZoS/

Taika Waititi continues to be the best thing ever

I love Taika, but that kinda seems like either a very weird principle or a very poor excuse. Researching Hitler is not an endorsement of Hitler.

To be fair, it's a comedy and it seems like he's committed to mocking the everlasting crap out of Hitler, so I don't think it called for serious method acting. :P
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Postby New yugoslavaia » Fri May 17, 2019 9:28 am

Hey, what do you guys thing of people saying the left can't meme?
Yugoslavia's back baby...

How the hell did this happen?
Well, this happened because after a failed attempt at a corporatocracy, Serbia was left with a pseudo-nationalist government which was incompetent to say the least. Following a revolution, a slightly authoritarian social democracy was established. More nations were incorporated as time went on. Now it's slightly-self sustaining and technologic advanced.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri May 17, 2019 9:29 am

Liriena wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I love Taika, but that kinda seems like either a very weird principle or a very poor excuse. Researching Hitler is not an endorsement of Hitler.

To be fair, it's a comedy and it seems like he's committed to mocking the everlasting crap out of Hitler, so I don't think it called for serious method acting. :P

Maybe, but you could make better jokes about Hitler if you knew more about him.
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Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm a 19 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 17, 2019 9:32 am

New yugoslavaia wrote:Hey, what do you guys thing of people saying the left can't meme?

It's pure projection.
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Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 17, 2019 9:40 am

Liriena wrote:Speaking of Jewish people, being white and all that jazz... I am seeing a lot of left-wing pushback online against a couple of common tactics of what I would call liberal progressivism.

The usual suspect, of course, is a fraction of the woke side of Twitter desperately trying to outwoke Bernie Sanders by pointing the finger at his age, gender and skin tone as disqualifiers. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere other than its own sad circle-jerk, specially when every candidate who might get woke points on identity alone is not doing a great job of accompaining their identity with actual socially and economically progressive policy.

Then there's the Alabama thing. As I've come to expect, a major liberal talking point is that men are voting for these anti-abortion laws, but little by little some people on the left are pushing back and pointing out that, in fact, a lot of the grassroots activism against reproductive rights is carried out by conservative women, and a woman signed that Alabama bill into law. I still think there's legitimacy to the idea that decisions on women's reproductive health should prioritize the insights of those who'd be directly affected it (chiefly, women), but not to the extent of assuming as a matter of principle that gender inherently determines one's tendency to be on the right or wrong side of this debate.


Almost like you're waking up to the fact that a huge amount of those "Reasonable people" whose side you are on when it comes to "Immigration reform" don't actually sincerely hold the positions they hold, but use them as an excuse to hate an ethnic group. (And in your case, sex.).

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It's not flip-floppy in context. It's an example of how some Jews who are progressives often gaslight people and use these kind of tricks to deflect criticism. "My racist screed against white people doesn't count, because I'm white, but i'm not white when It suits me and I don't need to follow the rules I set".

It is an aspect of progressive ideology and its tactics and how it is harmful/insincere. Whether or not a Jew is white is irrelevant, a gentile White cannot force anyone to admit it, much the same as you cannot force someone operating in bad faith to operate in good faith.

Buzzfeed is an example of where triple parentheses should be used, same as content written by a neo-nazi posing as a black person routinely to suggest they riot for civil rights and only marry their own kind because white people are lame amirite? should come with a warning label.

A Jew who is simultaneously white and not white when it suits him and routinely pushes a "Hello fellow white people" angle to justify the most extreme anti-white rhetoric, ideology, and positions, should come with a warning label. Applying those standards you see a few other notable publications that should come with it too.

Has that person in particular ever claimed himself to be non-white by virtue of being a Jew? If not, I don't see how his Jewishness matters.


Yep, he has.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri May 17, 2019 9:52 am

Liriena wrote:
New yugoslavaia wrote:Hey, what do you guys thing of people saying the left can't meme?

It's pure projection.


The right has a meme as president.
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