LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:00 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Yes, you are. We aren't. We never said people wouldn't be allowed to leave a socialist/communist society if they didn't want to. Yall made that strawman.

FYI DCF said it would include "everyone"

Including everyone =/= you can't leave. This is basic logic.

by **LiberNovusAmericae** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:01 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Rostavykhan wrote:
DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

DCF is indeed a Professor

One that shouldn't be teaching, but a professor no less.

by **Proctopeo** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:01 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:FYI DCF said it would include "everyone"

Including everyone =/= you can't leave. This is basic logic.

If people leave then it's not everyone.

by **LiberNovusAmericae** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:02 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:FYI DCF said it would include "everyone"

Including everyone =/= you can't leave. This is basic logic.

In that context, that's exactly what it means. I want to live under capitalism, and he effectively stated that my request would be denied.

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:03 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Including everyone =/= you can't leave. This is basic logic.

If people leave then it's not everyone.

Only if you're being incredibly fucking pedantic about it.

by **Rostavykhan** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:04 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Kavagrad wrote:DCF is indeed a Professor

One that shouldn't be teaching, but a professor no less.

Lol, this is the same logic as White Leftists getting mad at "problematic" right-wing teachers.

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:05 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Including everyone =/= you can't leave. This is basic logic.

In that context, that's exactly what it means. I want to live under capitalism, and he effectively stated that my request would be denied.

My godless heathens, you people.

It clearly means that the system is accepting of everyone, not that everyone is going to be forced into it. A fucking 5th grader could understand that.

by **Yusseria** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:05 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Yusseria wrote:We're literally talking about a scenario where people would want to leave a communist society but would not be allowed to.

Yes, you are. We aren't. We never said people wouldn't be allowed to leave a socialist/communist society if they didn't want to. Yall made that strawman.

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:If you are a communist, then form your hippy communes such as Twin Oaks, but don't force me to live such an existence. I prefer capitalism.

Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

by **Yusseria** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:05 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Yusseria wrote:Imagine missing my point that easily.

Your point's irrelevant when it requires my post to be a whataboutism so you can play a hand at this stupid "gotcha!" you're trying to pull.

It didn't require anything. They simply were.

by **Proctopeo** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:05 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If people leave then it's not everyone.

Only if you're being incredibly fucking pedantic about it.

It's not pedantry lmao
"Everyone" means that "everyone" is included, not "very nearly everyone" or "most people, but not really 'everyone'".

by **Yusseria** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:06 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Yusseria wrote:
He's a Professor? Good fucking God, our universities really need to be cleaned up.

Did you just unironically advocate purging ideological undesireables?

Congratulations, you're no better than Stalin.

Yes.

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:06 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Yes, you are. We aren't. We never said people wouldn't be allowed to leave a socialist/communist society if they didn't want to. Yall made that strawman.

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

See my last two fucking posts. I'm tired of repeating myself.

by **LiberNovusAmericae** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:06 pm

Grenartia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:In that context, that's exactly what it means. I want to live under capitalism, and he effectively stated that my request would be denied.

My godless heathens, you people.

It clearly means that the system is accepting of everyone, not that everyone is going to be forced into it. A fucking 5th grader could understand that.

Read the comment in fucking context. That's not what it means.

by **Torrocca** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:09 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Your point's irrelevant when it requires my post to be a whataboutism so you can play a hand at this stupid "gotcha!" you're trying to pull.

It didn't require anything. They simply were.

Nah, it wasn't. Good on you for proving how easy it is for you to miss the point entirely, though. :^)

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:09 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
My godless heathens, you people.

It clearly means that the system is accepting of everyone, not that everyone is going to be forced into it. A fucking 5th grader could understand that.

Read the comment in fucking context. That's not what it means.

Fam, the idea is that you wouldn't want to live under capitalism, just as you wouldn't want to live under feudalism. Things would clearly be better.

Of course, if you want to live an objectively worse life, nobody would stop you. Just like nobody really stops the Amish.

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:11 pm

Grenartia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Read the comment in fucking context. That's not what it means.

Fam, the idea is that you wouldn't want to live under capitalism, just as you wouldn't want to live under feudalism. Things would clearly be better.

Of course, if you want to live an objectively worse life, nobody would stop you. Just like nobody really stops the Amish.

What if you happen to have a quite nice life under capitalism :thonk:

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:12 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Fam, the idea is that you wouldn't want to live under capitalism, just as you wouldn't want to live under feudalism. Things would clearly be better.

Of course, if you want to live an objectively worse life, nobody would stop you. Just like nobody really stops the Amish.

What if you happen to have a quite nice life under capitalism :thonk:

This is the same as an Amish person asking "What if I happen to have quite a nice life without central heat and air?"

by **Kavagrad** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What if you happen to have a quite nice life under capitalism :thonk:

This is the same as an Amish person asking "What if I happen to have quite a nice life without central heat and air?"

I'm pretty sure the Amish have air.

by **The South Falls** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What if you happen to have a quite nice life under capitalism :thonk:

This is the same as an Amish person asking "What if I happen to have quite a nice life without central heat and air?"

Well then who needs it??

by **Washington Resistance Army** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What if you happen to have a quite nice life under capitalism :thonk:

This is the same as an Amish person asking "What if I happen to have quite a nice life without central heat and air?"

It's really not lol. You assume that literally everyone lives a shitty life right now and that things would be better for everyone under your system. That's just not true.

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:28 pm

Kavagrad wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
This is the same as an Amish person asking "What if I happen to have quite a nice life without central heat and air?"

I'm pretty sure the Amish have air.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=Qfe0XL ... ir+meaning

by **Grenartia** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
This is the same as an Amish person asking "What if I happen to have quite a nice life without central heat and air?"

It's really not lol. You assume that literally everyone lives a shitty life right now and that things would be better for everyone under your system. That's just not true.

Sure. The people who have extremely easy lives, i.e., the wealthy, will see a reduction in quality of life, but nobody will be living in squalor, and the vast majority (thanks to the current state of income inequality) will see a significant improvement in quality of life.

by **The Xenopolis Confederation** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:24 pm

Guys, I don't think we can gleam the caliber of a professor by looking at their NSG posting history.

by **Salus Maior** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Guys, I don't think we can gleam the caliber of a professor by looking at their NSG posting history.

We can judge them by their character and maturity, however.

And I don't think DCF has much of either. He blocks anyone who criticizes him or his views, like myself.

Edit: And for the record, I don't dislike him because he's leftist or a particular brand of leftist. I know another professor who is a hardline Communist that I have a good deal of respect for despite strong disagreements between the two of us, because he actually has a spine and doesn't run away from criticism.

by **Lamoni** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:19 pm

Grenartia wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:In that context, that's exactly what it means. I want to live under capitalism, and he effectively stated that my request would be denied.

My godless heathens, you people.

It clearly means that the system is accepting of everyone, not that everyone is going to be forced into it. A fucking 5th grader could understand that.

You know the drill, attack the post, not the poster. iLoom.

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