LWDT 7: The Earth and Heavens Tremble.

[Rostavykhan]

All politics is violence and who it is acceptable to use violence against (arguably in terms of the friend-enemy distinction), and for what end. Calling a political ideology other than total sedentary pacifism "violent" or "In love with force" merely reveals a mindset whereby the violence of your own ideology isn't being properly considered by you.

Liberals in particular fall into this these days.

The ideologies I see being called "violent" tend to be the real-life equivalent of that one Spongebob bit, where everyone was rioting over Bubble Buddy, and decided hyperbole and knocking over a random structure was worth their time.

"I dunno Mr. Krabs, that sounds an awful lot like Human Trafficking!"

"Money money money money money"

[Proctopeo]

The ideologies I see being called "violent" tend to be the real-life equivalent of that one Spongebob bit, where everyone was rioting over Bubble Buddy, and decided hyperbole and knocking over a random structure was worth their time.

"I dunno Mr. Krabs, that sounds an awful lot like Human Trafficking!"

"Money money money money money"

Eugene Krabs is the ancap hero we need but don't deserve

[Yusseria]

Communists love force. They hate the idea of people opting out of their shitty ideas.

Remember when NATO provided material support to military dictatorships so that they could illegally repress anyone to the left of Thatcher?

Communists love force. They hate the idea of people opting out of their shitty ideas.

Hey, remember that time Chile overthrew a democratically-elected Capitalist president and installed a Soviet-style regime?

Oh, wait, no, a US-backed coup overthrew a democratically-elected Communist.

Two whataboutisms for the price of one.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

If you are a communist, then form your hippy communes such as Twin Oaks, but don't force me to live such an existence. I prefer capitalism.

Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

[Yusseria]

If you are a communist, then form your hippy communes such as Twin Oaks, but don't force me to live such an existence. I prefer capitalism.

Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

Why do you lot hate freedom of choice so much?

[Democratic Communist Federation]

And if the workers want authoritarianism, who’s gonna stop them?

It is not a question of stopping anyone. However, [edit: if] workers want authoritarianism, there will be no revolution.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Then make it voluntary, not forced.

Capitalism is compulsion (or force, if you like). Communism is freedom. Everything comes down to one's principles.

[Rostavykhan]

Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

Why do you lot hate freedom of choice so much?

It's only destroying teh freedumz when it's people voting/working to change society in a way that I don't like.

[Torrocca]

Remember when NATO provided material support to military dictatorships so that they could illegally repress anyone to the left of Thatcher?

Hey, remember that time Chile overthrew a democratically-elected Capitalist president and installed a Soviet-style regime?

Oh, wait, no, a US-backed coup overthrew a democratically-elected Communist.

Two whataboutisms for the price of one.

Imagine missing the point this easily.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Then make it voluntary, not forced.

Capitalism is compulsion (or force, if you like). Communism is freedom. Everything comes down to one's principles.

By the way you're wording things it quite clearly isn't freedom cuz we don't have a choice.

[Proctopeo]

Capitalism is compulsion (or force, if you like). Communism is freedom. Everything comes down to one's principles.

By the way you're wording things it quite clearly isn't freedom cuz we don't have a choice.

You know, I hear that this "freedom" you speak of is actually called "slavery".
All true freedom is acquired only via the Party.

[Yusseria]

Why do you lot hate freedom of choice so much?

It's only destroying teh freedumz when it's people voting/working to change society in a way that I don't like.

We're literally talking about a scenario where people would want to leave a communist society but would not be allowed to.

[Yusseria]

Two whataboutisms for the price of one.

Imagine missing the point this easily.

Imagine missing my point that easily.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

If you are a communist, then form your hippy communes such as Twin Oaks, but don't force me to live such an existence. I prefer capitalism.

Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

Then expect war.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Communists love force. They hate the idea of people opting out of their shitty ideas.

So you have nothing other than strawmen.

It's not a strawman. I did not modify a communist's argument to make it easier to knock down.

[Rostavykhan]

Communism is not commune-ism. Sorry, but a communist society, should we ever win, will include everyone.

Then expect war.

I'd think they expect it, since Class War and whatnot is sort of a big part of the whole "Communist revolution" thing.

At least, as far as I'm concerned. The Professor is in a way different camp than I am, so yeah, it may be different, I dunno.

[Yusseria]

Then expect war.

I'd think they expect it, since Class War and whatnot is sort of a big part of the whole "Communist revolution" thing.

At least, as far as I'm concerned. The Professor is in a way different camp than I am, so yeah, it may be different, I dunno.

"The Professor"?

[Rostavykhan]

I'd think they expect it, since Class War and whatnot is sort of a big part of the whole "Communist revolution" thing.

At least, as far as I'm concerned. The Professor is in a way different camp than I am, so yeah, it may be different, I dunno.

"The Professor"?

DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

[Kavagrad]

"The Professor"?

DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

DCF is indeed a Professor

[Grenartia]

All politics is violence and who it is acceptable to use violence against (arguably in terms of the friend-enemy distinction), and for what end. Calling a political ideology other than total sedentary pacifism "violent" or "In love with force" merely reveals a mindset whereby the violence of your own ideology isn't being properly considered by you.

Liberals in particular fall into this these days.

The ideologies I see being called "violent" tend to be the real-life equivalent of that one Spongebob bit, where everyone was rioting over Bubble Buddy, and decided hyperbole and knocking over a random structure was worth their time.

Capitalism poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses!

[Yusseria]

"The Professor"?

DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

DCF is indeed a Professor

He's a Professor? Good fucking God, our universities really need to be cleaned up.

[Grenartia]

It's only destroying teh freedumz when it's people voting/working to change society in a way that I don't like.

We're literally talking about a scenario where people would want to leave a communist society but would not be allowed to.

Yes, you are. We aren't. We never said people wouldn't be allowed to leave a socialist/communist society if they didn't want to. Yall made that strawman.

[Proctopeo]

DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

DCF is indeed a Professor

He's a Professor? Good fucking God, our universities really need to be cleaned up.

From what I remember, though, he's at a community college.

We're literally talking about a scenario where people would want to leave a communist society but would not be allowed to.

Yes, you are. We aren't. We never said people wouldn't be allowed to leave a socialist/communist society if they didn't want to. Yall made that strawman.

FYI DCF said it would include "everyone"

[Torrocca]

Imagine missing the point this easily.

Imagine missing my point that easily.

Your point's irrelevant when it requires my post to be a whataboutism so you can play a hand at this stupid "gotcha!" you're trying to pull.

[Grenartia]

DCF is a Professor, right? Or is that another poster? I forget, I come and go from NSG every now and then.

DCF is indeed a Professor

He's a Professor? Good fucking God, our universities really need to be cleaned up.

Did you just unironically advocate purging ideological undesireables?

Congratulations, you're no better than Stalin.