Is Polygamy Wrong?

[Mystic Warriors]

110%. It is wrong. Change My Mind!

Nobodies place to do so

[Western Vale Confederacy]

110%. It is wrong. Change My Mind!

Nobodies place to do so

Says the one who probably thinks the same about conservatism.

[Sentient Bees]

Some say polygamy works if all parties agree, but in reality, the guy has nothing to do with if it works.
The women make it work.
If it doesn't work between the women, then it won't work.

That's assuming that the only polygamous relationships allowed are one man many women, but what about one woman many men, or like 3 men and 2 women? There are a lot of combinations

You are also assuming that the "extra" partners aren't married to each other, with only 1 central person that connects everything, but there doesn't need to be a single central person holding it together, it can just be a group where every individual is legally married to every other individual


As for my opinion, I have no problem with it so long as everyone is legal and consenting, and there isn't a single central individual holding it together

Though I will admit that this would make things like divorce and taxes a giant f***ing mess to figure out

[El-Amin Caliphate]

polygyny, the man with multiple wives form, is possibly the most dangerous. It leads to a surplus of single men with little or no opportunity to form their own relationships. which tends to mean crimes, or aggressive expansionism. this can be seen even today, in the likes of IS - kill enemy men, take enemy women as wives/concubines.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Syria
And even if it was legal in Syria, you'd have to prove that polygyny is a partial cause of ISIS doing those atrocities. Also, men who get violent because they can't find a mate need help. It's not the states' problem for legalizing polygyny, it's the men's problem for getting so butthurt.

[Katganistan]

If everyone is fully aware of all the relationships, and plans have been formally made as to division of property/raising of kids should the relationship fail, why should it be bad?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If everyone is fully aware of all the relationships, and plans have been formally made as to division of property/raising of kids should the relationship fail, why should it be bad?

^This. As long as it's Halaal there's nothing wrong.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I don’t think polygamy can kill empires/nations. Change peoples opinions of you from good to bad? Yes

Many people may tend to treat polygamy as pornography. While doing that the lust can grow up more. And treating their partners more as objects than as "equal" persons. This is why Rome fallen. While the Chinese empires had Confucianism as moral perspective.

In a similar perspective the education system wasn't too far from a "(political/social) propaganda". Few children can learn even from internet and seeing everything. When searching about polygamy they find also lots of pornography. Children then become adults.

If I want to kill slowly a nation then I bring to them a dirty system of pornography. Then the nation's fall is ensured in a time of events.

Rome fell for a plethora of reasons, and china ended to stagnate in growth due to traditionalism and infighting. While polygamy tends to exist in corrupt societies, it is not inherently bad. There are plenty unofficial polygamy relationships in the us, specifically utah, and for the most part it doesnt cause much stir, nor does it really harm. Its not choking the usa and it is certainly not going to lead to its fall.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It really doesn't because adultery is cheating on your spouse, so your question isn't even coherent. Your question is basically "why is just having a spouse not adultery?"

My second question was this:

how is regular marriage in your opinion not adultery, but plural marriages are?

The question was what’s the difference between regular marriage and plural marriages, that make plural marriages adultery and regular marriages not.

The number of people involved.

[Holy Tedalonia]

My second question was this:
The question was what’s the difference between regular marriage and plural marriages, that make plural marriages adultery and regular marriages not.

The number of people involved.

Except adultery is a act outside of marriage, the individual is acting within the collection of his multiple marriages. So it couldn't be adultery, in a definitive sense.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The number of people involved.

Except adultery is a act outside of marriage, the individual is acting within the collection of his multiple marriages. So it couldn't be adultery, in a definitive sense.

Adultery is sex with someone other than your spouse, you can only commit adultery by having sex with someone outside of your marriage. The only way to commit adultery if you're unmarried is to have sex with a married person. Adultery =/= premarital sex.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Except adultery is a act outside of marriage, the individual is acting within the collection of his multiple marriages. So it couldn't be adultery, in a definitive sense.

Adultery is sex with someone other than your spouse, you can only commit adultery by having sex with someone outside of your marriage. The only way to commit adultery if you're unmarried is to have sex with a married person. Adultery =/= premarital sex.

Well fair point, I guess it is a flawed definition I have created. But that doesnt really change the fact that plural marriages really isn't adultery. In aspect of married individual isnt having sex with none spouse.

[Tekania]

why does NOBODY understand that corolation dosent mean relation?

If you treat women like property, there is a line of logic that does end up allowing multiple spouses.

As stated correlation does not equal causation. The practice of polygamy there does not cause women being treated like property. Additionally women being treated as property does and has existed societies which only hold to monogamy as well. The social view of women as property informs how they practice polygamy there certainly.... the same in how it also informs how other societies which viewed women as property informed their practice of monagamy. However, polygamy the practice of polygamy no more requires women being treated as property than the practice of monogamy.

[Threlizdun]

I do love how whenever discussions of polygamy develop everyone seems to forget that same-sex marriage and polygyny exist, as well as the strange fear that allowing the small fraction of people who have these relationships in traditionally monogamous societies to practice it will somehow lead to polygamy being adopted as the dominant form of a relationship and usher in social collapse.

[Estado Castilano]

Why would it be wrong? Admittedly, there's some social and legal wrinkles to iron out, but It's not as if it'd infringe upon my monogamous relationship.

[Cetacea]

Polygamy is very wrong.

Several times in the Roman Empire and in other Empires (China too) it was permitted having more than one wife for the purpose of having more soldiers in time, but many times this fact was going to lust and unnatural pleasures. In Rome, making the pleasure more important than rational necessity became a high risk of a fallen society and also a fall of the state himself. Ultimately, (first) Rome fallen >>> because of unnatural lusts. For example, Messalina (the evil empress as she was known) killed whole families just for refuses.

Roman society was strictly Monogamous and only the legal wife could bear legitimate children.
Rome did allow for sex with slaves and servile prostitute and as you reference the Emperors and their ilk where known for their extramarital lusts and excesses - however that is not Polygamy, it is merely proof that Monogamy is Wrong as it leads to adultery and unnatural perversions

[Galloism]

polygyny, the man with multiple wives form, is possibly the most dangerous. It leads to a surplus of single men with little or no opportunity to form their own relationships. which tends to mean crimes, or aggressive expansionism. this can be seen even today, in the likes of IS - kill enemy men, take enemy women as wives/concubines.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Syria
And even if it was legal in Syria, you'd have to prove that polygyny is a partial cause of ISIS doing those atrocities. Also, men who get violent because they can't find a mate need help. It's not the states' problem for legalizing polygyny, it's the men's problem for getting so butthurt.

I'd say this is needlessly dismissive. Not to say polygamy ought to be outlawed (I'm a big proponent of personal freedom), but with our current biological and scientific realities, men have no stake in the future without the assent of a woman.

I mean, imagine if you had a female friend who just found out she's infertile, and she's broken up about never being able to have a family. If you tell her to stop being so butthurt about it, then the problem person in that conversation isn't her.

Artificial wombs can't come fast enough to correct this biological imbalance.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy_in_Syria
And even if it was legal in Syria, you'd have to prove that polygyny is a partial cause of ISIS doing those atrocities. Also, men who get violent because they can't find a mate need help. It's not the states' problem for legalizing polygyny, it's the men's problem for getting so butthurt.

I'd say this is needlessly dismissive. Not to say polygamy ought to be outlawed (I'm a big proponent of personal freedom), but with our current biological and scientific realities, men have no stake in the future without the assent of a woman.

I mean, imagine if you had a female friend who just found out she's infertile, and she's broken up about never being able to have a family. If you tell her to stop being so butthurt about it, then the problem person in that conversation isn't her.

Artificial wombs can't come fast enough to correct this biological imbalance.

That's not how I meant that. I mean that if men go beyond upset and get incel-level angry about not being able to find a woman, they need to calm down.

[Galloism]

I'd say this is needlessly dismissive. Not to say polygamy ought to be outlawed (I'm a big proponent of personal freedom), but with our current biological and scientific realities, men have no stake in the future without the assent of a woman.

I mean, imagine if you had a female friend who just found out she's infertile, and she's broken up about never being able to have a family. If you tell her to stop being so butthurt about it, then the problem person in that conversation isn't her.

Artificial wombs can't come fast enough to correct this biological imbalance.

That's not how I meant that. I mean that if men go beyond upset and get incel-level angry about not being able to find a woman, they need to calm down.

I take it you've never known a woman who gets that news. Anger is very very common.

Anger is a very normal response to that news - it's one of the stages of grief. You can say it's not all you want, but it doesn't change the human stages of grief.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's not how I meant that. I mean that if men go beyond upset and get incel-level angry about not being able to find a woman, they need to calm down.

I take it you've never known a woman who gets that news. Anger is very very common.

Anger is a very normal response to that news - it's one of the stages of grief. You can say it's not all you want, but it doesn't change the human stages of grief.

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I'm not talking about infertility...

[Galloism]

I take it you've never known a woman who gets that news. Anger is very very common.

Anger is a very normal response to that news - it's one of the stages of grief. You can say it's not all you want, but it doesn't change the human stages of grief.

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I'm not talking about infertility...

Without the assent of a woman men are facing essentially the same result. You're telling men not to be butt hurt over being essentially rendered infertile by common social practice. Over watching any stake in the future of their family line die.

Of course they're upset.

When too few people hoard economic resources from the many, this results in violent action against the wealthy/royalty.

Why would too few people hoarding the literal biological stake in the future, something even more important than money to most people, not result in similar action?

[Thuzbekistan]

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I'm not talking about infertility...

Without the assent of a woman men are facing essentially the same result. You're telling men not to be butt hurt over being essentially rendered infertile by common social practice. Over watching any stake in the future of their family line die.

Of course they're upset.

When too few people hoard economic resources from the many, this results in violent action against the wealthy/royalty.

Why would too few people hoarding the literal biological stake in the future, something even more important than money to most people, not result in similar action?

Stop. You're wrong. Men are not pigs in need of a piece of meat. If there arent women left in a society, they wont start acting out. That's the dumbest bs I've ever heard.

[Galloism]

Without the assent of a woman men are facing essentially the same result. You're telling men not to be butt hurt over being essentially rendered infertile by common social practice. Over watching any stake in the future of their family line die.

Of course they're upset.

When too few people hoard economic resources from the many, this results in violent action against the wealthy/royalty.

Why would too few people hoarding the literal biological stake in the future, something even more important than money to most people, not result in similar action?

Stop. You're wrong. Men are not pigs in need of a piece of meat. If there arent women left in a society, they wont start acting out. That's the dumbest bs I've ever heard.

It's not about the women. It's really not.

It's about the children. If you barred people with IQ under 110 from having children, your get the same result. You're taking important things from people, and they won't like it.

This is why artificial wombs can't come fast enough.

Monogamy, as a cultural practice, is basically a light touch socialist policy for relationships to prevent too much hoarding by the aristocracy and the rich. Not that it works 100%, but the results haven't been terrible.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Without the assent of a woman men are facing essentially the same result. You're telling men not to be butt hurt over being essentially rendered infertile by common social practice. Over watching any stake in the future of their family line die.

Of course they're upset.

When too few people hoard economic resources from the many, this results in violent action against the wealthy/royalty.

Why would too few people hoarding the literal biological stake in the future, something even more important than money to most people, not result in similar action?

Stop. You're wrong. Men are not pigs in need of a piece of meat. If there arent women left in a society, they wont start acting out. That's the dumbest bs I've ever heard.

They'll either act or or commit suicide en masse.

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Stop. You're wrong. Men are not pigs in need of a piece of meat. If there arent women left in a society, they wont start acting out. That's the dumbest bs I've ever heard.

They'll either act or or commit suicide en masse.

A disproportionate ratio of men to women in China has made it difficult for millions of men there to find partners, but there has been no epidemic of violence or rape or suicide. It's almost as if most men have self-control and an ability to cope with not getting everything they want.

[United Muscovite Nations]

They'll either act or or commit suicide en masse.

A disproportionate ratio of men to women in China has made it difficult for millions of men there to find partners, but there has been no epidemic of violence or rape or suicide. It's almost as if most men have self-control and an ability to cope with not getting everything they want.

People in China are just now getting to the demographic imbalance, it won't happen right away. That said, China has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

People can cope for a while, but social isolation and stigma is extremely crippling emotionally.