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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:22 pm

Whilst I would not support the government sticking its nose into people's personal lives and restricting it, I do personally think that polygamy is quite immoral.
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Postby Auze » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Auze wrote:Though, giving attention to multiple spouses is a problem that most polygamous societies have to deal with.
Anyway, an old limerick:

So why punish the people who are able to just cause you're personally not?

I dunno, I don't really care if the national law bans it or not, I am just personally against it. Who knows, maybe you can make it work... but I doubt it.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:26 pm

Auze wrote:
New haven america wrote:So why punish the people who are able to just cause you're personally not?

I dunno, I don't really care if the national law bans it or not, I am just personally against it. Who knows, maybe you can make it work... but I doubt it.

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Postby Auze » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:29 pm

Sadakien wrote:
Page wrote:In principle, I have no problem with polyamorous relationships and marriage, as consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want. Polyamory isn't for everyone, but there are many healthy and loving relationships with more than two partners.

That said, I oppose polygamy as it is usually practiced, especially religious polygamy, because rather than being equal polyamory, it is most often situation in which two or more women are subjugated by one man.


Pretty much this

I identify as polyamorous, but there's a big difference between that and the kind of polygyny that e.g. mormons often practice

It's been 129 years, and the split off churches number maybe 50,000 at the most, and even when it was allowed they were vastly the minority. I don't think that qualifies as "often".
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Postby The Federal District of Vice Santos » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:34 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
The Federal District of Vice Santos wrote:Polygamy is ok in theory, regardless if it is one man and many women, or one woman and many men, or many men and many women. Polygamy in practice is another matter.

So...what do you view as the differences between theory and practice?


If there was mutual consent and everyone in that relationship was treated fairly, then there’s nothing wrong with it. However, wealth will always be a major factor in polygamous relationships involving 1 man/women with many women/men since it’s a major advantage over those with no wealth. The “slave wife” concept isn’t good either. Basically, it all boils down to equal opportunity and only group marriage seems like would be only "fair" type of polygamy. "Fair" is only in quotations because I don't know if there is a limit on how many spouses everyone in such a relationship is allowed to have or if it doesn't matter, only mutual consent does.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:35 pm

The Federal District of Vice Santos wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:So...what do you view as the differences between theory and practice?


If there was mutual consent and everyone in that relationship was treated fairly, then there’s nothing wrong with it. However, wealth will always be a major factor in polygamous relationships involving 1 man/women with many women/men since it’s a major advantage over those with no wealth. The “slave wife” concept isn’t good either. Basically, it all boils down to equal opportunity and only group marriage seems like would be only "fair" type of polygamy. "Fair" is only in quotations because I don't know if there is a limit on how many spouses everyone in such a relationship is allowed to have or if it doesn't matter, only mutual consent does.

What if they're gay or bi?
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Postby Abarri » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:46 pm

The libertarian side of me says no, polygamy is not inherently wrong. As long as it's consensual and legal a human can have multiple marriages.

Yay variety in society.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:08 pm

Abarri wrote:The libertarian side of me says no, polygamy is not inherently wrong. As long as it's consensual and legal a human can have multiple marriages.

Yay variety in society.

Multiple marriages can lead to fraud
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:09 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Abarri wrote:The libertarian side of me says no, polygamy is not inherently wrong. As long as it's consensual and legal a human can have multiple marriages.

Yay variety in society.

Multiple marriages can lead to fraud

In what way?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:13 pm

I mean, y’know, people are entitled to their sexual proclivities. Let there be a thousand blossoms bloom, as far as I’m concerned, but I ain’t spendin’ any time on it, because in the meantime, every three months, a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:42 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Federal District of Vice Santos wrote:
If there was mutual consent and everyone in that relationship was treated fairly, then there’s nothing wrong with it. However, wealth will always be a major factor in polygamous relationships involving 1 man/women with many women/men since it’s a major advantage over those with no wealth. The “slave wife” concept isn’t good either. Basically, it all boils down to equal opportunity and only group marriage seems like would be only "fair" type of polygamy. "Fair" is only in quotations because I don't know if there is a limit on how many spouses everyone in such a relationship is allowed to have or if it doesn't matter, only mutual consent does.

What if they're gay or bi?

...should that make a difference?
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Postby New haven america » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:47 pm

Kernen wrote:
New haven america wrote:What if they're gay or bi?

...should that make a difference?

Yes, because they keep saying that if it were to become legal/more normalized then males would take advantage of it by marrying and abusing multiple females and either abusing them or using them as status symbols.

But what if a lesbian wants multiple wives? Or a gay guy multiple husbands? Or a bi person wants multiple husbands and wives? Is it solely abusive towards females now?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:08 pm

Depends. If it’s agreed upon between the parties involved, then no, it’s not wrong. If it wasn’t agreed upon then yes.
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Postby Abarri » Wed Mar 20, 2019 6:13 pm

Agarntrop wrote:
Abarri wrote:The libertarian side of me says no, polygamy is not inherently wrong. As long as it's consensual and legal a human can have multiple marriages.

Yay variety in society.

Multiple marriages can lead to fraud

Please explain. By the way, I was talking about one person having multiple spouses.
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New haven america wrote:
Kernen wrote:...should that make a difference?

Yes, because they keep saying that if it were to become legal/more normalized then males would take advantage of it by marrying and abusing multiple females and either abusing them or using them as status symbols.

But what if a lesbian wants multiple wives? Or a gay guy multiple husbands? Or a bi person wants multiple husbands and wives? Is it solely abusive towards females now?


Well gay or bi would fit under group marriage. There’s no rule that those participating in a group marriage have to be straight.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:29 pm

The Federal District of Vice Santos wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes, because they keep saying that if it were to become legal/more normalized then males would take advantage of it by marrying and abusing multiple females and either abusing them or using them as status symbols.

But what if a lesbian wants multiple wives? Or a gay guy multiple husbands? Or a bi person wants multiple husbands and wives? Is it solely abusive towards females now?


Well gay or bi would fit under group marriage. There’s no rule that those participating in a group marriage have to be straight.

I mean, it works best if they arent
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:40 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:
The Federal District of Vice Santos wrote:
Well gay or bi would fit under group marriage. There’s no rule that those participating in a group marriage have to be straight.

I mean, it works best if they arent


Yeah, straight group marriages often tend to be rife with jealousy and favouritism.

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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:20 pm

If it's consensual and no party is coerced into it, then the answer is sorta a no. But that comes with some caveats, namely the fact that most polygamist groupings in the world revolves around one man with multiple wives, which serves as an example that in many societies, cultures and even religious groups that females are completely objectified within those groupings.

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Postby New haven america » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:00 am

The Federal District of Vice Santos wrote:
New haven america wrote:Yes, because they keep saying that if it were to become legal/more normalized then males would take advantage of it by marrying and abusing multiple females and either abusing them or using them as status symbols.

But what if a lesbian wants multiple wives? Or a gay guy multiple husbands? Or a bi person wants multiple husbands and wives? Is it solely abusive towards females now?


Well gay or bi would fit under group marriage. There’s no rule that those participating in a group marriage have to be straight.

That's not what you were talking about.

You were talking about how if polygamy became legal/accepted, then there would be a bunch of slave wives and women being used as status symbols by rich men. But what if they're in single gender only marriages? Or mixed gender marriages? Then what?
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Postby New Bremerton » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:13 am

Depends on what form it takes. Third World, Islamic-style polygamy (i.e. men taking up to four wives as young as nine) is abhorrent, but Western-style polyamory between consenting adults of both sexes can be a wonderful thing, prudishness and traditional "nuclear families" be damned. If strong, independent women want real gender equality, this is it. The only real hurdles I can foresee are mostly legal and logistical. Imagine 50 men and 50 women, cis or trans, gay, bi or straight, all getting married in a single wedding ceremony. It would be one big happy family.
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Postby Asherahan » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:18 am

Genivaria wrote:Not necessarily, depends on how everyone is treated I suppose.

Pretty much this.
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New Bremerton wrote:Depends on what form it takes. Third World, Islamic-style polygamy (i.e. men taking up to four wives as young as nine) is abhorrent, but Western-style polyamory between consenting adults of both sexes can be a wonderful thing, prudishness and traditional "nuclear families" be damned. If strong, independent women want real gender equality, this is it. The only real hurdles I can foresee are mostly legal and logistical. Imagine 50 men and 50 women, cis or trans, gay, bi or straight, all getting married in a single wedding ceremony. It would be one big happy family.


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Postby Auze » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:00 am

Abarri wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Multiple marriages can lead to fraud

Please explain. By the way, I was talking about one person having multiple spouses.

Can't check, but IIRC there were cases of one guy marrying someone, then selling of their property, and driving off (repeat 103 times). I can't verify though.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:07 am

Auze wrote:
Abarri wrote:Please explain. By the way, I was talking about one person having multiple spouses.

Can't check, but IIRC there were cases of one guy marrying someone, then selling of their property, and driving off (repeat 103 times). I can't verify though.

So? Some people can be bastards, what does that prove? What you are talking about isn't consented polygamy, it's bigamy to commit crimes.
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