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Do you think Polygamy is wrong?

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:37 am

Marxist Germany wrote:Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"

Are you saying adultery is wrong?

Also my question to you is, how is regular marriage in your opinion not adultery, but plural marriages are?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:38 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"

Are you saying adultery is wrong?

Also my question to you is, how is regular marriage in your opinion not adultery, but plural marriages are?

Yes, adultery is wrong, that much is obvious.

How on earth would being married to one person be adultery on its own?
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:41 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Are you saying adultery is wrong?

Also my question to you is, how is regular marriage in your opinion not adultery, but plural marriages are?

Yes, adultery is wrong, that much is obvious.

How on earth would being married to one person be adultery on its own?

Eh
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:42 am

Thuzbekistan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, adultery is wrong, that much is obvious.

How on earth would being married to one person be adultery on its own?

Eh

Which part is "eh"?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:47 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Are you saying adultery is wrong?

Also my question to you is, how is regular marriage in your opinion not adultery, but plural marriages are?

Yes, adultery is wrong, that much is obvious.

How on earth would being married to one person be adultery on its own?

Well, I forgot that the definition of adultery isn’t a synonym for sex outside of wedlock. Regardless my second question still stands.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:53 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Eh

Which part is "eh"?

Adultury being wrong. Open relationships are a thing.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:57 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, adultery is wrong, that much is obvious.

How on earth would being married to one person be adultery on its own?

Well, I forgot that the definition of adultery isn’t a synonym for sex outside of wedlock. Regardless my second question still stands.

It really doesn't because adultery is cheating on your spouse, so your question isn't even coherent. Your question is basically "why is just having a spouse not adultery?"
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:20 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Well, I forgot that the definition of adultery isn’t a synonym for sex outside of wedlock. Regardless my second question still stands.

It really doesn't because adultery is cheating on your spouse, so your question isn't even coherent. Your question is basically "why is just having a spouse not adultery?"

My second question was this:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"
how is regular marriage in your opinion not adultery, but plural marriages are?

The question was what’s the difference between regular marriage and plural marriages, that make plural marriages adultery and regular marriages not.
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Postby DACOROMANIA » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:38 am

Polygamy is very wrong.

Several times in the Roman Empire and in other Empires (China too) it was permitted having more than one wife for the purpose of having more soldiers in time, but many times this fact was going to lust and unnatural pleasures. In Rome, making the pleasure more important than rational necessity became a high risk of a fallen society and also a fall of the state himself. Ultimately, (first) Rome fallen >>> because of unnatural lusts. For example, Messalina (the evil empress as she was known) killed whole families just for refuses.

Usually, the polygamy was or a woman having more men (ancient Africa, Arabia, India) or a man having more women (most common). But this (polygamy) wasn't based on a specific law and even before this didn't had a certain definition.

For a time, in the Oriental Mediterranean space it was wrong having more than three wives at a time and also the Christian Church didn't approve the fourth marriage.

However, later appeared the Islam where many people joined primarily for this advantage of polygamy, for having how many wives based on how much rich you are. The Sultans had harems of plenty women and many of their women were mainly visited just once.

If polygamy may become legal, this should be limited to three marriages and no more than.
However the Muslims already practice polygamy even without the State's consent but rather based on their religion rather than the State law.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:40 am

I don’t think polygamy can kill empires/nations. Change peoples opinions of you from good to bad? Yes
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Postby DACOROMANIA » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:58 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:I don’t think polygamy can kill empires/nations. Change peoples opinions of you from good to bad? Yes


Many people may tend to treat polygamy as pornography. While doing that the lust can grow up more. And treating their partners more as objects than as "equal" persons. This is why Rome fallen. While the Chinese empires had Confucianism as moral perspective.

In a similar perspective the education system wasn't too far from a "(political/social) propaganda". Few children can learn even from internet and seeing everything. When searching about polygamy they find also lots of pornography. Children then become adults.

If I want to kill slowly a nation then I bring to them a dirty system of pornography. Then the nation's fall is ensured in a time of events.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:36 pm

DACOROMANIA wrote:Polygamy is very wrong.

Several times in the Roman Empire and in other Empires (China too) it was permitted having more than one wife for the purpose of having more soldiers in time, but many times this fact was going to lust and unnatural pleasures. In Rome, making the pleasure more important than rational necessity became a high risk of a fallen society and also a fall of the state himself. Ultimately, (first) Rome fallen >>> because of unnatural lusts. For example, Messalina (the evil empress as she was known) killed whole families just for refuses.

Usually, the polygamy was or a woman having more men (ancient Africa, Arabia, India) or a man having more women (most common). But this (polygamy) wasn't based on a specific law and even before this didn't had a certain definition.

For a time, in the Oriental Mediterranean space it was wrong having more than three wives at a time and also the Christian Church didn't approve the fourth marriage.

However, later appeared the Islam where many people joined primarily for this advantage of polygamy, for having how many wives based on how much rich you are. The Sultans had harems of plenty women and many of their women were mainly visited just once.

If polygamy may become legal, this should be limited to three marriages and no more than.
However the Muslims already practice polygamy even without the State's consent but rather based on their religion rather than the State law.

Can you provide examples of Romans having more than one wife at the same time? I can't remember any, but I'm old and my memory is not that good.

Valeria Messalina did use her position as Claudius' wife to dispose of people she considered her enemies, that's true, but there is some thought that the stories of her wild sexual antics are exaggerated propaganda.

The Eastern Church did condemn fourth marriages but it was a fourth marriage in sequence, not at the same time. There was something of a scandal when the Byzantine Emperor Leo VI married his mistress, Zoe Karbopsina, making her his fourth wife. The Patriarch had forbidden the marriage but the Emperor found a priest who would do as he wanted.

I don't think you can connect the decline of nations to polygamy or suspect morals.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:41 pm

DACOROMANIA wrote:Polygamy is very wrong.

The historical examples you gave regarding the downfall of Empires etc is unconvincing. Are there any other reasons why it's wrong?

DACOROMANIA wrote:If polygamy may become legal, this should be limited to three marriages and no more than.

This seems like an arbitrary figure. Are you just choosing a number at random, or are there some reasons for precisely three?
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Postby Alorgaze » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:25 pm

Not necessarily in my opinion, as long as everybody in the relationship is being treated equally.
Polygamy has been performed a lot throughout history (( At least where I am from, it has ))
It's the individual's choice on what kind of relationship they want, I'm pretty neutral about this to be honest.

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Postby New haven america » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:22 pm

Marxist Germany wrote:Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"

What if you marry another husband.
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Postby Esternial » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:28 pm

Do what you want if it doesn't harm others and let the prudes and sexually repressed rub knock themselves out. Nobody cares.

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Postby The Foxes Swamp » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:41 pm

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Postby New haven america » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:50 pm

DACOROMANIA wrote:Polygamy is very wrong.

Several times in the Roman Empire and in other Empires (China too) it was permitted having more than one wife for the purpose of having more soldiers in time, but many times this fact was going to lust and unnatural pleasures.

A. Rome didn't allow it.
B. Unnatural what?
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Postby The New United States » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:51 pm

I don't think that it's necessarily wrong. I think that polygamy could have some utility in certain circumstances; a lack of men due to catastrophic war, for example, might justify polygamy for the sake of re-population. From an Abrahamic religious perspective, I don't see any scriptural basis for the argument that polygamy is wrong.

That being said, I don't see any need for polygamy to be re-popularized.
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Postby Arctrucia » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:18 am

The New United States wrote:I don't think that it's necessarily wrong. I think that polygamy could have some utility in certain circumstances; a lack of men due to catastrophic war, for example, might justify polygamy for the sake of re-population. From an Abrahamic religious perspective, I don't see any scriptural basis for the argument that polygamy is wrong.

That being said, I don't see any need for polygamy to be re-popularized.

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"But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:19 am

Arctrucia wrote:
The New United States wrote:I don't think that it's necessarily wrong. I think that polygamy could have some utility in certain circumstances; a lack of men due to catastrophic war, for example, might justify polygamy for the sake of re-population. From an Abrahamic religious perspective, I don't see any scriptural basis for the argument that polygamy is wrong.

That being said, I don't see any need for polygamy to be re-popularized.

Matthew 19:4-6
And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

Mark 10:6-9
"But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

Says nothing about polygamy.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:38 am

Esternial wrote:Do what you want if it doesn't harm others and let the prudes and sexually repressed rub knock themselves out. Nobody cares.


You know the ironic thing about this is that polygamist households tend to be very sexually repressive (because most of them are religious fundamentalists). The husband having multiple wives doesn't mean he has enlightened views about sexuality, he just thinks he's entitled to have subservient wives and as many babies as possible.
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Postby Disciples of YHWH » Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:56 am

Arctrucia wrote:
The New United States wrote:I don't think that it's necessarily wrong. I think that polygamy could have some utility in certain circumstances; a lack of men due to catastrophic war, for example, might justify polygamy for the sake of re-population. From an Abrahamic religious perspective, I don't see any scriptural basis for the argument that polygamy is wrong.

That being said, I don't see any need for polygamy to be re-popularized.

Matthew 19:4-6
And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

Mark 10:6-9
"But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. "FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.

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Postby Kaztropol » Sat Mar 23, 2019 1:04 am

It can work for some small groups of individuals, if they're all OK with it.

but on a society scale, it can quickly go down some very bad routes.

humans have a roughly 1:1 male:female birth rate. marriage or relationship forms that change that 1:1 ratio by a lot, tend to cause problems.

if 5 men and 5 women all want to live as a single unit and are ok with it, then okay, sure, you do you.

polygyny, the man with multiple wives form, is possibly the most dangerous. It leads to a surplus of single men with little or no opportunity to form their own relationships. which tends to mean crimes, or aggressive expansionism. this can be seen even today, in the likes of IS - kill enemy men, take enemy women as wives/concubines. There's also stories of things like religious cults, e.g. the mormons, where polygyny sometimes occurs, of boy children being abandoned by their parents, so that there's an excess of young women for older men to take as 2nd or 3rd wives.
consider also, the whole "incel" phenomenon of angry/violent young men with a sense of entitlement to sex. That would get a whole lot worse when polygyny is tolerated.

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