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Do you think Polygamy is wrong?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:35 am

Andsed wrote:
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I don't know about you, but when I have friends on diets and I start devouring an entire case of donuts... They get annoyed.

His point still stands. It is pretty dumb to get mad at someone for violating your religious rules because you know someones religious beliefs in no way impact you.


How so? Would you not be mad at a friend for breaking the law in such a way that will cause them detriment, but not yourself?

Suppose your best friend robbed a 7-11. Wouldn't you be angry that they did something stupid and got themselves locked up?

To the religious it's much the same.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:37 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Andsed wrote:His point still stands. It is pretty dumb to get mad at someone for violating your religious rules because you know someones religious beliefs in no way impact you.


How so? Would you not be mad at a friend for breaking the law in such a way that will cause them detriment, but not yourself?

Suppose your best friend robbed a 7-11. Wouldn't you be angry that they did something stupid and got themselves locked up?

To the religious it's much the same.

Well robbing a 7-11 does harms people. Not obeying some religious laws harms no one.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:41 am

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How so? Would you not be mad at a friend for breaking the law in such a way that will cause them detriment, but not yourself?

Suppose your best friend robbed a 7-11. Wouldn't you be angry that they did something stupid and got themselves locked up?

To the religious it's much the same.

Well robbing a 7-11 does harms people. Not obeying some religious laws harms no one.


Smoked some illicit substance then. Don't miss the forest for the trees.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:42 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Andsed wrote:Well robbing a 7-11 does harms people. Not obeying some religious laws harms no one.


Smoked some illicit substance then. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

Uh why would I do that if I don´t wish to? And how would that harm anyone?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:44 am

Andsed wrote:
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How so? Would you not be mad at a friend for breaking the law in such a way that will cause them detriment, but not yourself?

Suppose your best friend robbed a 7-11. Wouldn't you be angry that they did something stupid and got themselves locked up?

To the religious it's much the same.

Well robbing a 7-11 does harms people. Not obeying some religious laws harms no one.

That's historically and religiously (at least for some religions) false.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:44 am

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Smoked some illicit substance then. Don't miss the forest for the trees.

Uh why would I do that if I don´t wish to? And how would that harm anyone?


I'm saying that if your friend, whom you like, smoked an illicit substance and then was promptly arrested and sent to prison. would you not be mad at them for it?
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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:46 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Andsed wrote:Uh why would I do that if I don´t wish to? And how would that harm anyone?


I'm saying that if your friend, whom you like, smoked an illicit substance and then was promptly arrested and sent to prison. would you not be mad at them for it?

Not really. They did something illegal which harmed no one but them and got punished for it. Why would I be mad?

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Andsed wrote:Well robbing a 7-11 does harms people. Not obeying some religious laws harms no one.

That's historically and religiously (at least for some religions) false.

How?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:51 pm

Andsed wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm saying that if your friend, whom you like, smoked an illicit substance and then was promptly arrested and sent to prison. would you not be mad at them for it?

Not really. They did something illegal which harmed no one but them and got punished for it. Why would I be mad?

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's historically and religiously (at least for some religions) false.

How?

Historically, people have been punished for breaking religious laws. It happens to this day.
Religiously, some religions like Al-Islam have punishments for breaking religious law.
So to say that "Not obeying some religious laws harms no one" is either deliberate or unintentional ignorance of history and/or religion.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:36 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:Not really. They did something illegal which harmed no one but them and got punished for it. Why would I be mad?


How?

Historically, people have been punished for breaking religious laws. It happens to this day.
Religiously, some religions like Al-Islam have punishments for breaking religious law.
So to say that "Not obeying some religious laws harms no one" is either deliberate or unintentional ignorance of history and/or religion.

That is not what I meant and you know it. I meant that breaking a religious law like eating pork does not harm anyone else. So let me rephrase. Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:41 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Historically, people have been punished for breaking religious laws. It happens to this day.
Religiously, some religions like Al-Islam have punishments for breaking religious law.
So to say that "Not obeying some religious laws harms no one" is either deliberate or unintentional ignorance of history and/or religion.

That is not what I meant and you know it.

If I knew what you we're talking about I wouldn't've said what I said.
Andsed wrote:Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.

Some random religious laws outlaw murder. So are you meaning to say that breaking a personal religious law doesn't hurt anyone?
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Postby New haven america » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:45 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Page wrote:
Most relationships don't last regardless of the number and gender of those involved.


Most don't but some do. Polygamy never lasts.

You've literally just contradicted yourself with 2 sentences.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:47 pm

Federal Spanish States wrote:Oh boy. The thread's still going. Look, let's just forget about it. Say "depends on X" and bam, call it a day.

A. You don't get control over when a tread ends.
B. We've had threads go a lot longer than 20-30 pages.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:02 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:That is not what I meant and you know it.

If I knew what you we're talking about I wouldn't've said what I said.
Andsed wrote:Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.

Some random religious laws outlaw murder. So are you meaning to say that breaking a personal religious law doesn't hurt anyone?

Yes I am meaning getting mad at someone for breaking a religious law even though they did not hurt someone while doing so is dumb.
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Postby Tokora » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:11 pm

Personally I say yes but only because of my religion. If you're not part of a belief that prohibits it, than there's really nothing stopping you if that's what you want and they consent to it. Just don't rape or murder, I'm pretty sure those are universally taboo.

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Postby Zetaopalatopia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:39 pm

Personally I believe marriage in all forms should be religious affairs only and not have any legal standing at all due to separation of church and state, but that is a topic for another thread so I won't linger on it.

As far as my opinion is concerned plural relationships are how things should work in an ideal world. My reasoning is as follows.

I believe that the more view points a family unit has, the more informed and independent anyone raised in that family will be.
I believe that the more people working toward a common goal, be it child rearing, economic stability, or survival, the better.
And I believe that the more mates each individual has, the better the genetic diversity of the species.

I am willing to answer any questions about my beliefs on this matter so long as they remain civil.
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Postby Federal Spanish States » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:02 am

New haven america wrote:
Federal Spanish States wrote:Oh boy. The thread's still going. Look, let's just forget about it. Say "depends on X" and bam, call it a day.

A. You don't get control over when a tread ends.
B. We've had threads go a lot longer than 20-30 pages.

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Postby Marxist Germany » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:05 am

Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"
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Postby The Grims » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:07 am

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Historically, people have been punished for breaking religious laws. It happens to this day.
Religiously, some religions like Al-Islam have punishments for breaking religious law.
So to say that "Not obeying some religious laws harms no one" is either deliberate or unintentional ignorance of history and/or religion.

That is not what I meant and you know it. I meant that breaking a religious law like eating pork does not harm anyone else. So let me rephrase. Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.


As they already told you, they get mad because you harmed yourself. They fear you will face consequences in the afterlife
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And they care.
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Postby Andsed » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:13 am

The Grims wrote:
Andsed wrote:That is not what I meant and you know it. I meant that breaking a religious law like eating pork does not harm anyone else. So let me rephrase. Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.


As they already told you, they get mad because you harmed yourself. They fear you will face consequences in the afterlife
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And they care.

And that is a stupid reason to get mad.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:20 am

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Historically, people have been punished for breaking religious laws. It happens to this day.
Religiously, some religions like Al-Islam have punishments for breaking religious law.
So to say that "Not obeying some religious laws harms no one" is either deliberate or unintentional ignorance of history and/or religion.

That is not what I meant and you know it. I meant that breaking a religious law like eating pork does not harm anyone else. So let me rephrase. Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.


It doesnt directly harm anyone else, sort of like suicide.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 am

Marxist Germany wrote:Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"

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Postby Andsed » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:26 am

Telconi wrote:
Andsed wrote:That is not what I meant and you know it. I meant that breaking a religious law like eating pork does not harm anyone else. So let me rephrase. Breaking some random religious law does not harm other people so getting mad at someone for doing so is dumb.


It doesnt directly harm anyone else, sort of like suicide.

Sucide actually harms people. Not believing in some random ass god harms no one.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:29 am

Andsed wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It doesnt directly harm anyone else, sort of like suicide.

Sucide actually harms people. Not believing in some random ass god harms no one.


Suicide harms the person committing suicide.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:33 am

Not wrong, but it just doesn't make sense for a population that has about the same amount of each gender. Polygamy (And polyandry) would make more sense if there were a higher proportion of one gender to the other, such as four men to one woman or four women to one man.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:37 am

Marxist Germany wrote:Short answer: yes

Long answer: Polygamy is wrong because marrying more than one wife is just another way of saying "adultery"

Except it's not because adultery isn't consensual and doesn't involve marrying the mistress in most cases.
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