by Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:34 pm
by Dresderstan » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:36 pm
by Woodfiredpizzas » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:37 pm
by Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Dresderstan wrote:We already have an Australian Election thread, you could post about the NSW election there.
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by Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:If I wanted to be complicit in the violence of the state and vote I would go liberal Democrats, labor, literally anyone and then a big toss up for the greens and LNP last.
by Woodfiredpizzas » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:44 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:If I wanted to be complicit in the violence of the state and vote I would go liberal Democrats, labor, literally anyone and then a big toss up for the greens and LNP last.
Greens are the worst...
I also like the Liberal Democrats, and the Christian Democrats
by Greater Westralia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:45 pm
by Australian rePublic » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:51 pm
Greater Westralia wrote:I put the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party first, Nationals second and Liberals third in state elections. Really more so for WA, but I'd vote the same in NSW.
by Greater Westralia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:08 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Hello fellow right-winger
by Woodfiredpizzas » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:30 pm
by Greater Westralia » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:48 pm
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:You know I’ve never even bothered to find out what the nationals are about. They’ve always seemed like the libs pet gimp.
by Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:05 am
Greater Westralia wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:You know I’ve never even bothered to find out what the nationals are about. They’ve always seemed like the libs pet gimp.
Depends on the state honestly. Nationals (or the Country Party as they were once known) are conservative agrarians. It means they usually support policies that help out farmers and herders. Because of that they tend to dominate the regions.
by Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:08 am
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Right not my cup of tea then.
by Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:42 am
by Australian rePublic » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:38 am
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Greater Westralia wrote:They wouldn't be unless you live in the regions or are involved in agriculture. What parties do you favour then?
Liberal Democrats are the only party I’m positive about, labor is my least objectionable party. LNP and greens are trash tier.
Yeah I’m more interested in moving from field agriculture to factory agriculture, vat grown meat high tech greenhouse arrangements. Field farming and the transport for it is too bad for the environment.
by Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:07 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Liberal Democrats are the only party I’m positive about, labor is my least objectionable party. LNP and greens are trash tier.
Yeah I’m more interested in moving from field agriculture to factory agriculture, vat grown meat high tech greenhouse arrangements. Field farming and the transport for it is too bad for the environment.
Factory farming is cruel. As for VAT grown **vommits**
by Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:35 am
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Totally used factory farming to mean something else. My bad. More a high tech “vat grown” and greenhouse solutions to farming. Harvesting animals is cruel. And is going to be phased out soon enough anyway. May as well use making vat grown super cheap and readily available to do it.
by Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:06 am
Greater Westralia wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Totally used factory farming to mean something else. My bad. More a high tech “vat grown” and greenhouse solutions to farming. Harvesting animals is cruel. And is going to be phased out soon enough anyway. May as well use making vat grown super cheap and readily available to do it.
Sorry to break it to ya bud, but conventional agriculture isn't going to be phased out anytime soon. Even if we get the technology to make it affordable and market competitive (a challenge in and of itself), it'll be a long while before farming and pastoral agriculture is obsolete. Not to forget that there might not be any political will or popular support for factory agriculture and vat grown meat.
by Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:25 am
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Except it is, I do a lot of fitness, gym and martial arts the search for alternative to animal products has a strong following among those protein heads. Then there’s the agricultural effort on climate change. Hell I provide meals to the staff when they go out on site and vegan options are sitting at 50% there.
There’s a sharply growing aversion to live meat because the alternatives are healthier, massively cleaner and less cruel options. I honestly can’t see it being possible on an economic level to live country in fifty years. Not when all food can be produced industrially in the city it’s needed in.
by Shrillland » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:48 am
by Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:32 am
Greater Westralia wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Except it is, I do a lot of fitness, gym and martial arts the search for alternative to animal products has a strong following among those protein heads. Then there’s the agricultural effort on climate change. Hell I provide meals to the staff when they go out on site and vegan options are sitting at 50% there.
There’s a sharply growing aversion to live meat because the alternatives are healthier, massively cleaner and less cruel options. I honestly can’t see it being possible on an economic level to live country in fifty years. Not when all food can be produced industrially in the city it’s needed in.
Anecdotes are not data. While the number of vegetarians will probably increase over time, I don't think they'll eclipse the number of growing meat eaters in Asia and particularly Africa as more people move from subsistence farming to a burgeoning middle class. Since Australian agriculture exports a lot of foodstuffs, I doubt the economic conditions for vat grown meat and factory farms will occur any time soon, especially since we haven't really reached the tech yet.
However, that isn't to say that we won't have a farming "Technological Revolution". We probably will, but these kind of revolutions take time. Until then, conventional agriculture in WA is only growing.
by Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:06 am
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:You’re missing the point that non of those people are going to be able to afford animal meat environmentally. And with the action required for climate change governments are going to be looking at less than a decade transition from farm to vat grown meat.
by Woodfiredpizzas » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:16 am
Greater Westralia wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:You’re missing the point that non of those people are going to be able to afford animal meat environmentally. And with the action required for climate change governments are going to be looking at less than a decade transition from farm to vat grown meat.
I don't think that'll stop them.
Can you prove that though? All current evidence suggests that conventional agriculture will only grow as the population and desire for imported foodstuffs increases. I'm confident in saying that we won't be seeing a radical shit to factory farming, instead we'll see the trends common to manufacturing. Wider use of technology to increase yields and replace Human labor. Things like the soil bank, which will allow farmers to use stored nutrients from past applications of fertilisers. And so on. There's still a lot of room for technological and ecological advancements in conventional agriculture, stuff that is being researched.
by Greater Westralia » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:46 am
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:I really don’t think they will have much choice.
See I’m thinking just the environmental transport costs of farming food is going to make it unavailable for use. Let alone the land use can be put to better use. And conventional agriculture just isn’t going to get its footprint down to industrial agricultural levels.
by Australian rePublic » Wed Mar 20, 2019 2:53 am
Greater Westralia wrote:Woodfiredpizzas wrote:I really don’t think they will have much choice.
See I’m thinking just the environmental transport costs of farming food is going to make it unavailable for use. Let alone the land use can be put to better use. And conventional agriculture just isn’t going to get its footprint down to industrial agricultural levels.
Agree to disagree then.
I don't think your opinion is without merit, albeit its far too radical. The environmental cost usually takes a backseat to economic realities, and we're not at a stage where factory farms can even begin replacing conventional agriculture, which forms a vital part of our export. Its something that we need to research more, and a possible venue of growth in the future. For now, its just not feasible on the scale you're imagining.
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