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Who do you support?

Liberal/National Coalition
25
14%
Labor
36
21%
Greens
28
16%
One Nation
17
10%
Centre Alliance
11
6%
Katter's Australian Party
15
9%
United Australia
10
6%
Liberal Democrats
15
9%
Others(tell us who)
18
10%
 
Total votes : 175

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Turbofolkia
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Founded: May 05, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Turbofolkia » Mon May 20, 2019 6:50 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Turbofolkia wrote:Lol, good look getting a Liberal government to do that.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14350

As usual, they’re cutting the APS.1.5 billion in efficiency dividends. Ugh. As a public servant, my own job may be on the line.

I'm glad I'm out of that racket. Which is sort of sad to say, but not only did it prove difficult to maintain a belief in serving the Australian public when it was clearly an unhealthy and one-sided relationship, but working in government at this point feels largely like everyone is trying to survive on a rapidly shrinking pool of resources. The pace of the effect depends on the organisation, but you start noticing it bit by bit. It encourages increasingly unfair internal policies, cuts that clearly affect some (usually junior) staff much more than others, managers who stay put forever in order to milk grandfathered things for all they're worth.

Say what you will about the private sector, but if resources start to disappear, at least it's not because some former student politician guts an institution just to finally get revenge on the guy who stole his girlfriend in first year.

I do enjoy my work here, but you're dead right about the culture of public service. We're stretched pretty thin these days. Contractors costing upwards of $200 per hour are everywhere. The government loves contractors because they can use money from a different bucket.

With each “efficiency dividend”, we are forced to squeeze more into the same amount of time. Yet there's never any consideration as to what the inefficiency is, what problem it’s meant to be solving, whether the methods used to solve the inefficiency will actually have an effect, whether the cost/benefit ratio makes it worth it etc. It's just cutting for the sake of cutting if you ask me.

Say what you will about the private sector, but if resources start to disappear, at least it's not because some former student politician guts an institution just to finally get revenge on the guy who stole his girlfriend in first year.

Lol, yeah. It's either that or some former student politician guts an institution because he's still salty about the fact he couldn't get into DFAT or DPMC as a grad and had to settle for a consultancy role in the Big 4.
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Beggnig
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Founded: Apr 11, 2019
Corporate Police State

Postby Beggnig » Mon May 20, 2019 8:02 pm

Turbofolkia wrote:
Special Aromas wrote:Probably better if Fitzgibbons gets the nod because he's someone with real appeal to the working class areas that turned on the ALP in this election.

The problem that the ALP still needs to navigate is the divide in ideology between the inner city, progressive voters (socially progressive and mostly economically liberal) and the outer-suburban, rural working class voters (more often than not socially conservative with more protectionist views).

Fitzgibbon almost lost his seat to One Nation, hopefully he and the party will learn what went wrong in his seat so that doesn't happen again.

I think they need a Queenslander either as leader or deputy to be able to win back their blue collar base. Federal Labor was
destroyed in Queensland because there was a perception that Labor was opposed to their way of life. It will take a long while for that sentiment to wash out. Labor will have to very consciously set out to rebuild its connections with those voters who have just rejected the party. People like Jim Chalmers and Joel FItzgibbon do seem like the most likely candidates who can do that.

But Christ, if Chris Bowen becomes leader, I will honestly vote Liberal just to spite the party.


Bowen as opposition leader means Morisson will be the next R. G. Menzies.

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Turbofolkia
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Founded: May 05, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Turbofolkia » Mon May 20, 2019 8:17 pm

Beggnig wrote:
Turbofolkia wrote:Fitzgibbon almost lost his seat to One Nation, hopefully he and the party will learn what went wrong in his seat so that doesn't happen again.

I think they need a Queenslander either as leader or deputy to be able to win back their blue collar base. Federal Labor was
destroyed in Queensland because there was a perception that Labor was opposed to their way of life. It will take a long while for that sentiment to wash out. Labor will have to very consciously set out to rebuild its connections with those voters who have just rejected the party. People like Jim Chalmers and Joel FItzgibbon do seem like the most likely candidates who can do that.

But Christ, if Chris Bowen becomes leader, I will honestly vote Liberal just to spite the party.


Bowen as opposition leader means Morisson will be the next R. G. Menzies.

Yep, it will show that Labor has learnt nothing from their time in opposition under Howard, jumping from one dud leader to the next. I mean, I even agreed with the policies that Bowen put forward, but the election showed that he has no hope.

Apparently Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan tried to warn Shorten and Bowen that Labor was in trouble in Queensland, but they were basically told to shut up. I mean, if Shorten and Bowen were too arrogant to listen to two Queenslanders who know their state inside and out, then Labor deserved to lose. Both Shorten and Bowen need to leave parliament ASAP.

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Special Aromas
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Founded: Sep 11, 2018
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Special Aromas » Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 am

Turbofolkia wrote:
Special Aromas wrote:Probably better if Fitzgibbons gets the nod because he's someone with real appeal to the working class areas that turned on the ALP in this election.

The problem that the ALP still needs to navigate is the divide in ideology between the inner city, progressive voters (socially progressive and mostly economically liberal) and the outer-suburban, rural working class voters (more often than not socially conservative with more protectionist views).

Fitzgibbon almost lost his seat to One Nation, hopefully he and the party will learn what went wrong in his seat so that doesn't happen again.

I think they need a Queenslander either as leader or deputy to be able to win back their blue collar base. Federal Labor was
destroyed in Queensland because there was a perception that Labor was opposed to their way of life. It will take a long while for that sentiment to wash out. Labor will have to very consciously set out to rebuild its connections with those voters who have just rejected the party. People like Jim Chalmers and Joel FItzgibbon do seem like the most likely candidates who can do that.

But Christ, if Chris Bowen becomes leader, I will honestly vote Liberal just to spite the party.

Fitzgibbon is the proud MP of the biggest coal mining electorate in Australia, time to start viewing him as an acceptable sacrifice if they want to double down on the current motion to win the young, educated progressive vote in the city. The other alternative is letting the Greens control the inner city electorates and praying that the Liberals don't eventually out point them on the environment and take their preferences (which if enough of the loons like Abbott get shuffled out, they will do).

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Shrillland
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Shrillland » Tue May 21, 2019 3:31 am

Special Aromas wrote:
Turbofolkia wrote:Fitzgibbon almost lost his seat to One Nation, hopefully he and the party will learn what went wrong in his seat so that doesn't happen again.

I think they need a Queenslander either as leader or deputy to be able to win back their blue collar base. Federal Labor was
destroyed in Queensland because there was a perception that Labor was opposed to their way of life. It will take a long while for that sentiment to wash out. Labor will have to very consciously set out to rebuild its connections with those voters who have just rejected the party. People like Jim Chalmers and Joel FItzgibbon do seem like the most likely candidates who can do that.

But Christ, if Chris Bowen becomes leader, I will honestly vote Liberal just to spite the party.

Fitzgibbon is the proud MP of the biggest coal mining electorate in Australia, time to start viewing him as an acceptable sacrifice if they want to double down on the current motion to win the young, educated progressive vote in the city. The other alternative is letting the Greens control the inner city electorates and praying that the Liberals don't eventually out point them on the environment and take their preferences (which if enough of the loons like Abbott get shuffled out, they will do).



Maybe that would be best. The Greens becoming the urban progressive party could mean a Coalition on the left as well as on the right...I say even though there are irreconcilable differences in other fields.
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Turbofolkia
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Founded: May 05, 2019
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Turbofolkia » Tue May 21, 2019 4:58 am

Special Aromas wrote:
Turbofolkia wrote:Fitzgibbon almost lost his seat to One Nation, hopefully he and the party will learn what went wrong in his seat so that doesn't happen again.

I think they need a Queenslander either as leader or deputy to be able to win back their blue collar base. Federal Labor was
destroyed in Queensland because there was a perception that Labor was opposed to their way of life. It will take a long while for that sentiment to wash out. Labor will have to very consciously set out to rebuild its connections with those voters who have just rejected the party. People like Jim Chalmers and Joel FItzgibbon do seem like the most likely candidates who can do that.

But Christ, if Chris Bowen becomes leader, I will honestly vote Liberal just to spite the party.

Fitzgibbon is the proud MP of the biggest coal mining electorate in Australia, time to start viewing him as an acceptable sacrifice if they want to double down on the current motion to win the young, educated progressive vote in the city. The other alternative is letting the Greens control the inner city electorates and praying that the Liberals don't eventually out point them on the environment and take their preferences (which if enough of the loons like Abbott get shuffled out, they will do).

Yeah. I don’t think Labor should chase the votes of the “doctor’s wives” (Greens and Wet libs). They need to win the middle and working classes which is where elections are won.

These type of people are generally sneered upon by the greens and wet libs and are a demographic that Labor really needs to appeal to again, like it did under Hawke and Rudd. The loss of a few inner city votes to the Greens and Libs is nothing compared to the loss of its base, which is what happened on Saturday night.

Labor’s path to victory isn’t through Higgins or Kooyong. The Libs and Greens should be left to fight each other there. It’s through Herbert, Lindsay, Braddon etc. Hawke knew that. Rudd knew that. Hopefully the next ALP leader knows that too.
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