Holy Tedalonia wrote:Sneudal wrote:Which is why Russia isn't a threat to (the majority of) Europe, and thus money isn't wasted on a pointless high military budget.
Look you can read!
Yes, Russia wont pull stunts right now, but doesnt mean their not a threat. People acted like Germany wouldn’t do anything right before ww2, because of France and England, and look what happened.
I can't sadly, my cat told me wat was written…
People back then were retarded if they thought Germany wasn't building up for war. And France + Britain were even more retarded by giving in to the demands of the Germans till it was way too late.
Novus America wrote:Sneudal wrote:You said it yourself, wrong about literally everything.
The main reason as to why these countries don't spend an insane amount of money on the military is because there isn't any serious threat to them. What the U.S. does is irrelevant to the matter.
What the US does is absolutely relevant considering we subsidize the defense of Europe!
If we are expected to defend Europe, Europe must be expected to defend itself.
If they do not want to spend and assume the big bear is nice a cuddly fine.
Then they should get the hell out of NATO.
We should start expelling those who do not contribute.
1) Hardly.
2) You aren't expected to defend Europe, you're expected to aid your allies in the defense when needed. Same happens vice versa.
3) NATO is a general military alliance, not a coalition against big bears that want to cuddle you very tightly. So no, they don't have to leave NATO. If you don't like it, you are free to leave instead though.
Seangoli wrote:Shanhwa wrote:In my eyes, China is a bigger threat than Russia. The optimal solution would be in some way increasing relations with Russia and accepting them into possibly even NATO and get them to help in crushing China. Though unless we give them considerable... “assurances”, it’s unlikely to happen.
Yes, China poses a larger threat, particularly to our economy. Russia is still not working with anything approaching our interests in mind, amd actively undermines them however. It would be downright foolish to trust them as anything approaching an ally. Russia is equally far more aggressive and far less compromising than China is. China would be easier to work with, even if they pose a larger threat.
The question remains, will you still be able to 'work' with China once they feel powerful enough to make serious demands? Answer is no, just like you can't 'work' with the U.S. right now. Superpowers make the demands and try to enforce them by any means, they aren't the ones fulfilling them.