Wargame simulations show Russia and China could defeat US

[Papalotltlan]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

tbh the military just needs to stop being wasteful with it's spending

but you know, it would be better if we didn't have war at all

If you want peace, prepare for war. Be strong enough and people do not want to attack you.
That is the essence of deterrence.

How about we just be kind to them and make good will gestures back and forth between all of us?

People have less motivation to kill other people who do nice things to them

[Internationalist Bastard]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

Believe me I’d love that
Bit people are assholes that want death

[Novus America]

We now know of course the End of History was total BS.
That is true.
Which means we have to shift back to our Cold War stance.

Which means a return to Cold War type military spending.

Why does it HAVE to be Cold War? Why can't each of the Powers agree to Spheres of Influence, and at least TRY to leave each other alone?

I'm not naive enough to believe that conflict will never come; but we can try to at least be civil, no?

That is rather complicated. Besides the fact spheres of influence and effectively dividing up the world by a few big powers trampled on the concept of sovereignty and democracy (what if the country does not want to be in the sphere they are assigned), you have to get everyone to agree on what the spheres are.

And that is what we tried, dividing up the world into spheres after WWII. Cold War.

Sorry it is unavoidable.

We were not always uncivil during the Cold War either.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

or we could just make a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly, invest in science, and make a human space empire.

thats always an option

[Novus America]

If you want peace, prepare for war. Be strong enough and people do not want to attack you.
That is the essence of deterrence.

How about we just be kind to them and make good will gestures back and forth between all of us?

People have less motivation to kill other people who do nice things to them

Because we have mutually exclusive, irreconcilable differences on global governance, national sovereignty and the very nature of what the world should look like.

That viewpoint only works if you both have a common viewpoint and understanding, and common objectives.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

or we could just make a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly, invest in science, and make a human space empire.

thats always an option

I'm gonna have to send a strongly worded letter against that.

[Papalotltlan]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

or we could just make a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly, invest in science, and make a human space empire.

thats always an option

I think you're highly overestimating mankind's ability to work together.

[Internationalist Bastard]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

or we could just make a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly, invest in science, and make a human space empire.

thats always an option

I can only be so aroused

[Novus America]

This is why we should focus our resources on defeating China, instead of focusing it on propping up some puppet somewhere. We have the wherewithal. We have the capital. Now it is our time to build up.

I’m not sure we could Cold War China to death, not without doing something really crippling to their economy

Well sure, we have to respond to their economic attacks with our own.
They are engaged in a full blown economic war with us, we have to fight back economically.

The hack our companies, steal our intellectual property, and restrict our market access.
We should do the same back to them.

[The South Falls]

What if countries just had mock combat, like milsim games instead of actual war? Like, it's the best of both worlds. Both sides get to show off their new shit, and relatively few people die. Afterwards, we can use computers and what not to determine which side won. It's a win-win, unless you lose.

Believe me I’d love that
Bit people are assholes that want death

Then broadcast it on national TV, complete with announcers and ads. Like the superbowl.

This is why we should focus our resources on defeating China, instead of focusing it on propping up some puppet somewhere. We have the wherewithal. We have the capital. Now it is our time to build up.

I’m not sure we could Cold War China to death, not without doing something really crippling to their economy

That is why we outstrip them economically.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

How about we just be kind to them and make good will gestures back and forth between all of us?

People have less motivation to kill other people who do nice things to them

Because we have mutually exclusive, irreconcilable differences on global governance, national sovereignty and the very nature of what the world should look like.

That viewpoint only works if you both have a common viewpoint and understanding, and common objectives.

Or: if we let the nation states rule there perspective countries the way they want to, and allow the citizens voteing power in the UNPA.

or we could just make a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly, invest in science, and make a human space empire.

thats always an option

I think you're highly overestimating mankind's ability to work together.

we got this far

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Believe me I’d love that
Bit people are assholes that want death

Then broadcast it on national TV, complete with announcers and ads. Like the superbowl.

And have them play sicko mode instead of sweet victory?

No thanks

[Washington Resistance Army]

we got this far

Not by holding hands and singing kumbaya.

Really the best way to start a human space empire would be to start a space arms race.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

we got this far

Not by holding hands and singing kumbaya.

Really the best way to start a human space empire would be to start a space arms race.

Nah, would rather not have colonial wars 3.0, now in space


Would rather have space be owned by all mankind collectively

[Lord Dominator]

Not by holding hands and singing kumbaya.

Really the best way to start a human space empire would be to start a space arms race.

Nah, would rather not have colonial wars 3.0, now in space


Would rather have space be owned by all mankind collectively

Competition has been historically more beneficial for advancement and improvement than collectivization

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Nah, would rather not have colonial wars 3.0, now in space


Would rather have space be owned by all mankind collectively

Competition has been historically more beneficial for advancement and improvement than collectivization

TIL the European wars of religion where extremely beneficial for advancement and improvement then the age of enlightenment

[South Acren]

Wow...and to think some people claim that America and Russia will go to war in 2020. I wont say its true or not but if so, the US is predicted to loose. Now these are simulations of course and you can only predict the outcome of something to a certain extent, but if many simulations shows them winning we might need to do something to fix the problem right?

[Papalotltlan]

Competition has been historically more beneficial for advancement and improvement than collectivization

TIL the European wars of religion where extremely beneficial for advancement and improvement then the age of enlightenment

World War 2 brought us jet aircraft and nuclear power, as well as advancements in things like parachutes, radar, and medicine.

[Lord Dominator]

Competition has been historically more beneficial for advancement and improvement than collectivization

TIL the European wars of religion where extremely beneficial for advancement and improvement then the age of enlightenment

Fair, not all competition is healthy

Wow...and to think some people claim that America and Russia will go to war in 2020. I wont say its true or not but if so, the US is predicted to loose. Now these are simulations of course and you can only predict the outcome of something to a certain extent, but if many simulations shows them winning we might need to do something to fix the problem right?

Yes, simulations show Russia winning in the countries literally right on their border

[Valrifell]

TIL the European wars of religion where extremely beneficial for advancement and improvement then the age of enlightenment

World War 2 brought us jet aircraft and nuclear power, as well as advancements in things like parachutes, radar, and medicine.

And during peace, cities were lit up for the first time and the radio was invented.

Competition is but one aspect of the desire for human knowledge-seeking and was by no means the primary motivator until the state got involved.

[Valrifell]

@OP

Wow, you're saying that the US can't defend nations across the world with fully mobilized hostiles attacking said allies who are at their doorstep? Whaaat? Of course the Baltics and/or Taiwan would be overrun within a matter of days, the US isn't an omnipotent god.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

TIL the European wars of religion where extremely beneficial for advancement and improvement then the age of enlightenment

World War 2 brought us jet aircraft and nuclear power, as well as advancements in things like parachutes, radar, and medicine.

>implying we couldn't and wouldn't invent a plane that goes faster than a normal plane during peace time

>implying we wouldn't advance radar during peace time to meet the demands of fast and cheap air travel

>implying that nuclear power wasn't being researched pre ww2

>implying we didn't have parachutes before the first world war

>implying that we didn't advance our understanding of medicine during the renaissance

[Papalotltlan]

World War 2 brought us jet aircraft and nuclear power, as well as advancements in things like parachutes, radar, and medicine.

>implying we couldn't and wouldn't invent a plane that goes faster than a normal plane during peace time

>implying that nuclear power wasn't being researched pre ww2

>implying we didn't have parachutes before the first world war

>implying that we didn't advance our understanding of medicine during the renaissance

You're missing my point. It's not that we wouldn't have those things eventually, it's that war/competition sped up their development, thus proving that they can be beneficial.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

>implying we couldn't and wouldn't invent a plane that goes faster than a normal plane during peace time

>implying that nuclear power wasn't being researched pre ww2

>implying we didn't have parachutes before the first world war

>implying that we didn't advance our understanding of medicine during the renaissance

You're missing my point. It's not that we wouldn't have those things eventually, it's that war/competition sped up their development, thus proving that they can be beneficial.

Because war and competition always advances technology! Oh wait they don't always do that

You know what war always does?

Kill, destroy and, foster hatred between people beacuse of the idea that :"My plot of land can kick your plot of lands ass!".