Democracy as a form of government

[Heloin]

I'm pretty sure that the Uyghurs and Tibetans are really happy that China is focusing on getting the massive corruption down.

Corruption isn't really why China is persecuting their minorities. It's part of their policy of assimilation and fears of uprisings that they have such as heavy hand on them.

I know, I was trying to make a joke. I failed as I do with most jokes I make

[Soviet Technocracy2]

Oh I'm sure putting Uyghurs in concentration camps is a great way to improve freedom and a reduced corruption

Re-education camps.

[Salus Maior]

Corruption isn't really why China is persecuting their minorities. It's part of their policy of assimilation and fears of uprisings that they have such as heavy hand on them.

I know, I was trying to make a joke. I failed as I do with most jokes I make

"LOL, concentration camps are a thing "

Really?

[Heloin]

Oh I'm sure putting Uyghurs in concentration camps is a great way to improve freedom and a reduced corruption

Re-education camps.

I love the euphemism reeducation camp.

"No we're not imprisoning these people and torturing them in order to make them subservient and unwilling to revolt, we're reeducating them!"

[Hammer Britannia]

Re-education camps.

I love the euphemism reeducation camp.

"No we're not imprisoning these people and torturing them in order to make them subservient and unwilling to revolt, we're reeducating them!"

So long as you make it sound nice, it is.

Now just enter my fun room where nobody has made out alive.

Do not take this out of context

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I doubt it. Those party cronies aren't going to give up their power.

The legal reforms specifically aim at party discipline.

And different party factions purging one another. The law is a weapon in China, not something that's universally applied. That corrupt communist party should step aside anyway.

Oh I'm sure putting Uyghurs in concentration camps is a great way to improve freedom and a reduced corruption

Re-education camps.

Oh, that's so much better.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think democracy is fine as long as it remains simply a form of decision-making.

[Heloin]

I know, I was trying to make a joke. I failed as I do with most jokes I make

"LOL, concentration camps are a thing "

Really?

That wasn't what I meant.... I'll be honest though, my defence isn't really helped by the fact I just made a joke at the expense of the term reeducation camp.

[Digital Planets]

The legal reforms specifically aim at party discipline.

And different party factions purging one another. The law is a weapon in China, not something that's universally applied. That corrupt communist party should step aside anyway.

Re-education camps.

Oh, that's so much better.

SCHOOLS

[Aressna]

Oh I'm sure putting Uyghurs in concentration camps is a great way to improve freedom and a reduced corruption

Re-education camps.

Uhh that's what the Nazis called it when they enslaved the Poles and 're-educated' them according to their ideals. I might want to watch what you're saying there.

[Hammer Britannia]

And different party factions purging one another. The law is a weapon in China, not something that's universally applied. That corrupt communist party should step aside anyway.


Oh, that's so much better.

SCHOOLS

I mean, American schools are basically death-camps anyways so...

[Bombadil]

At worst I don't think the current form of democracy is equipped to manage the current pace of events or equipped to deal with future threats. The lack of expertise among those elected is disturbing.

For example, CFCs were banned because Thatcher was a chemist, she understood it from a scientific point of view not a political one. She therefore leant on Reagan to lead global action.

Unqualified leaders in a technological age are an issue though I don't necessarily have good solutions.

[Andsed]

Well we see it as a good thing because unlike a dictatorship or monarchy the people can actually decide who leads. So instead of some guy with no merits ruling because his father ruled a person elected by the people based on his merit leads. Of course it does not always work like this in practice but the concept is there.

[Salus Maior]

Well we see it as a good thing because unlike a dictatorship or monarchy the people can actually decide who leads. So instead of some guy with no merits ruling because his father ruled a person elected by the people based on his merit leads. Of course it does not always work like this in practice but the concept is there.

Actually, it's based on how charismatic and popular a certain person is, and whether said person checks enough of the public's policy boxes during their election campaign.

Whether or not they're actually capable of doing that is not seen in the electoral process.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I think democracy is fine as long as it remains simply a form of decision-making.

It needs constitutional restrictions that's for sure, so it doesn't turn into a mobocracy. That being said, criticisms of democracy doesn't justify a perpetual dictatorship.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The problem I have with democracy as a form of government is that it seems like democracy endorses a form of subjectivism, while saying that the majority should be able to impose its will on minorities, which seems contradictory to me.

[Aressna]

At worst I don't think the current form of democracy is equipped to manage the current pace of events or equipped to deal with future threats. The lack of expertise among those elected is disturbing.

For example, CFCs were banned because Thatcher was a chemist, she understood it from a scientific point of view not a political one. She therefore lent on Reagan to lead global action.

Unqualified leaders in a technological age are an issue though I don't necessarily have good solutions.

Well I can agree that was a good move by Thatcher, but most of her other policies were horrible. If only she had been qualified enough on worker's issues, maybe she might have been an example of a qualified leader.

(I must say however I agree with the rest of your point.)

[South Odreria]

Why is democracy so widely seen as a good and/or great form of government? What has been it’s fruits?

I’m an American, maybe I’ve just never lived under other government forms, but to me democracy just doesn’t seem that great, it’s the system that elects socialists and communists who, historically speaking, have devastated economies and entire countries and societies and caused immense human misery. To quote Pinochet: “democracy is the system that chooses Barabbas over Jesus”
What do y’all think, NSG?

Democracy didn't choose Barabbas. It was the wealthy elite of both the Pharisees and Sadducees that worked together to thwart the poor, powerless majority and have the radical socialist Jesus killed. Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for us, he was resurrected two days later and will return, abolish capitalism for good, and establish a thousand year long communist society.

[Andsed]

Well we see it as a good thing because unlike a dictatorship or monarchy the people can actually decide who leads. So instead of some guy with no merits ruling because his father ruled a person elected by the people based on his merit leads. Of course it does not always work like this in practice but the concept is there.

Actually, it's based on how charismatic and popular a certain person is, and whether said person checks enough of the public's policy boxes during their election campaign.

Whether or not they're actually capable of doing that is not seen in the electoral process.

Fair enough but I would still say democracy is much more preferable than say a monarchy or dictatorship.

[The Feylands]

China isn’t a ***liberal democracy***, but to pretend that it lacks democratic features would be fairly dishonest. China’s system is a bit reminiscent of old Europe, where you could have various communities like Guilds or social/economic groups making decisions in consultation with a strong central government. It’s sure interesting.

I don’t support the idea of the masses of the people always being “right” as some kind of principle... but on the other hand, a dictatorship like Nazi Germany is often founded upon pleasing the mob and its least sympathetic traits in any case.. I’d like to think that liberal democracy could be developed and complemented by a bigger sense of correlation between getting to make decisions and actually taking responsibility for them in the end. -.-

[Aressna]

Why is democracy so widely seen as a good and/or great form of government? What has been it’s fruits?

I’m an American, maybe I’ve just never lived under other government forms, but to me democracy just doesn’t seem that great, it’s the system that elects socialists and communists who, historically speaking, have devastated economies and entire countries and societies and caused immense human misery. To quote Pinochet: “democracy is the system that chooses Barabbas over Jesus”
What do y’all think, NSG?

Democracy didn't choose Barabbas. It was the wealthy elite of both the Pharisees and Sadducees that worked together to thwart the poor, powerless majority and have the radical socialist Jesus killed. Unfortunately for them, and fortunately for us, he was resurrected two days later and will return, abolish capitalism for good, and establish a thousand year long communist society.

Completely agree.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Also, that large scale democracy necessarily reverts to oligarchy is a point against democracy.

[Salus Maior]

Actually, it's based on how charismatic and popular a certain person is, and whether said person checks enough of the public's policy boxes during their election campaign.

Whether or not they're actually capable of doing that is not seen in the electoral process.

Fair enough but I would still say democracy is much more preferable than say a monarchy or dictatorship.

I don't think so.

Because the monarch is essentially educated from birth to rule, usually with a comprehensive education in policy, culture, and military and economic affairs; that already gives them an advantage (of course, there are examples where the monarch is given the throne without a proper, thorough education, like the unfortunate Nicholas II) over pretty much any individual elected candidate who are typically just bourgeois with enough money to run a campaign (or toe a party's line enough to get their support).

There is of course also the cultural/spiritual fundaments behind the institution of monarchy that elected officials certainly don't have.

[Soviet Technocracy2]

I love the euphemism reeducation camp.

"No we're not imprisoning these people and torturing them in order to make them subservient and unwilling to revolt, we're reeducating them!"

Correction communities.

[Digital Planets]

I love the euphemism reeducation camp.

"No we're not imprisoning these people and torturing them in order to make them subservient and unwilling to revolt, we're reeducating them!"

Correction communities.

Bangkok.