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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:32 pm

Aressna wrote:Uhh that's what the Nazis called it when they enslaved the Poles and 're-educated' them according to their ideals. I might want to watch what you're saying there.

It’s ok I’m not a Nazi.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:33 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
Aressna wrote:Uhh that's what the Nazis called it when they enslaved the Poles and 're-educated' them according to their ideals. I might want to watch what you're saying there.

It’s ok I’m not a Nazi.

Are you communist?

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Postby Digital Planets » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:34 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:It’s ok I’m not a Nazi.

Are you communist?


No, I think he's a Pastafarian.
So you decide to open it anyway? What the heck, man?

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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:34 pm

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As you can see this person is more intolerant than me.

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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:36 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Are you communist?

I’m a constitutionalist, as stated in the second post.
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Postby South Odreria » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:37 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Are you communist?

I’m a constitutionalist.


Which constitution would that be?
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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:50 pm

South Odreria wrote:Which constitution would that be?

Abolition of special privileges for corporations. free housing and guns. For minors (I’m 28 but it’s the thought that counts). Free education for Nazis at a summer camp. Special privileges for factory workers.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:54 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
South Odreria wrote:Which constitution would that be?

Abolition of special privileges for corporations, free housing and guns. For minors (I’m 28 but it’s the thought that counts).

What constitution is handing out free guns to little kids?
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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:56 pm

Heloin wrote:What constitution is handing out free guns to little kids?

The one I was writing in the post.

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Postby Aressna » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:57 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
Aressna wrote:Uhh that's what the Nazis called it when they enslaved the Poles and 're-educated' them according to their ideals. I might want to watch what you're saying there.

It’s ok I’m not a Nazi.

That doesn't absolve what you said.
PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF ARESSNA
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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:58 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.


Good quote from Winston Churchill
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Postby Aressna » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:58 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
Heloin wrote:What constitution is handing out free guns to little kids?

The one I was writing in the post.

Yes but whose constitution is it?
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:59 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others.


Good quote from Winston Churchill


Who obviously didn't believe in democracy in how he behaved while prime minister of a colonial empire.
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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:59 pm

Aressna wrote:That doesn't absolve what you said.

I changed it to Correction Community. The Chinese overdo it maybe.

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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:01 pm

Aressna wrote:Yes but whose constitution is it?

It belongs to everyone but I was the one writing it. If you have something to add I could credit you.

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Postby Zordennox » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:06 pm

Democracy has been criticized many times throughout history. Plato was one of the first people to openly criticize democracy for its mob-like rule. Some have suggested that it is downright tyranny by majority. The Greeks had experimented with many different types of government throughout their long and complex history. Niccolo Machiavelli believed that a republic was the most accurate and stable form of government, rather than a direct democracy.

Still, there are plenty of examples of successful non-democratic forms of government. Despite many people despising North Korea, they do have a very stable government to be totally honest. Also, the stratocracy in Myanmar would be another example. Medieval Europe had very successful aristocracies which lasted centuries that produced many heroes, nobles, and master artists that are still well-known to this day. I wouldn't say that democracy is the greatest form of government, because we are in more distress now than we have ever been.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:09 pm

Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:
South Odreria wrote:Which constitution would that be?

Abolition of special privileges for corporations. free housing and guns. For minors (I’m 28 but it’s the thought that counts). Free education for Nazis at a summer camp. Special privileges for factory workers.

Cool. I don't agree with a good chunk of it, but it is cool.

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Postby American Pere Housh » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:10 pm

Heloin wrote:
Soviet Technocracy2 wrote:Abolition of special privileges for corporations, free housing and guns. For minors (I’m 28 but it’s the thought that counts).

What constitution is handing out free guns to little kids?


It called the U.S Constitution and nobody is handing free guns to little kids. Kids in the U.S are taught how to safely handle a gun by responsible adults. My niece, who is nine btw, knows how to use a gun responsibly with adult supervision because she has parents and grandparents who can teach her safely.
Government Type: Militaristic Republic
Leader: President Alexander Jones
Prime Minister: Isabella Stuart-Jones
Secretary of Defense: Hitomi Izumi
Secretary of State: Eliza 'Vanny' Cortez
Time: 2023
Population: MT-450 million
Territory: All of North America, The Islands of the Caribbean and the Philippines

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Postby Soviet Technocracy2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:13 pm

Parents don’t always teach their kids how to use guns so sometimes the factory committee has to step in.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:13 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
Heloin wrote:What constitution is handing out free guns to little kids?


It called the U.S Constitution and nobody is handing free guns to little kids. Kids in the U.S are taught how to safely handle a gun by responsible adults. My niece, who is nine btw, knows how to use a gun responsibly with adult supervision because she has parents and grandparents who can teach her safely.

I don't think you read what Technocracy2 wrote...

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:15 pm

American Pere Housh wrote:
The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:Why is democracy so widely seen as a good and/or great form of government? What has been it’s fruits?

I’m an American, maybe I’ve just never lived under other government forms, but to me democracy just doesn’t seem that great, it’s the system that elects socialists and communists who, historically speaking, have devastated economies and entire countries and societies and caused immense human misery. To quote Pinochet: “democracy is the system that chooses Barabbas over Jesus”
What do y’all think, NSG?

US isn't a democracy, its a constitutional republic.

A federal constitutional republic that utilizes representative democracy. “Republic” and “Democracy” aren’t mutually exclusive terms that automatically cancel each other out.
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Postby First American Empire » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:21 pm

The Multiversal Species Alliance wrote:Why is democracy so widely seen as a good and/or great form of government? What has been it’s fruits?


Democracy trends towards better leaders than other government systems. For every democratically elected evil moron like Bolsonaro, there's a dozen successful leaders like Angela Merkel to counteract them. Meanwhile, with autocracy, you'll get a dozen awful rulers like Stalin and Pinochet for every good autocrat like... uh... the only one I can really think of in the past century is Tito, I guess?
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Postby Bloodshade » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:27 pm

I think the main problem in any form of government is human nature.

It's easy to discredit a form of government when human nature is usually culprit. One of the main reasons Communism failed with Russia is because of corruption, greed and desire

I guess a form of government should be judged based on how it limits the damage caused by human nature. For example, on paper, people in a democracy have the power to vote out a corrupt individual in a rather comfortable manner, meaning they don't have to go out and start a civil war or protest violently, but in reality, there are many others factors that make this difficult.

Honestly, I don't think a democratic system is to die for and no country should rush to achieve it then expect their problems to be solved. One example is the Arab Spring. Democracy is simply not applicable due to the political climate of the Middle East and It was such a destructive event with no clear direction or alternative to the status quo but I guess its too late now.

Still, I think that as a country develops and stabilizes, the most suitable form of government would end up being democracy. I wonder if democracy is the final form of government.
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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:58 am

Is Singapore considered liberal right now?

I think it ain't so much as democracy that's seen as good as liberalism is.

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Postby The National Salvation Front for Russia » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:44 am

Democracy is better than any other form of government because it gives some measure of power to the people. If you accept that most politicians are corrupt or self-serving, and that to keep power you have to rely on key supporters (civil servants, generals, politicians, etc), then logically a democracy is vastly superior to an autocracy with little exception. In an autocracy, to stay in power an autocrat must reward his inner circle. Since the people don't vote, he only provides a minimal level of services to ensure that they can produce and be taxed. Whereas in a democracy, the leader must provide public goods and services to his particular voting bloc, otherwise they won't vote for him. Generally there is a large minority of undecided, meaning that the democrats can't just eternally screw over his opposition (although democracies can be abused this way) and must provide some measure of services to the wider population.

Obviously, this doesn't always apply. But its a good general rule.
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