Is it racist to have ethnic/racial preferences in dating?

[Andsed]

Stop asking him, he is a racial supremacist, you wont get anything logical from them on why racial purity matters because its a load of fucking bollocks.

It isn't nonsense, it is very much logical if you're wedded to the ideal of ethnostates and nationalism as I am. Each nation should have one single majority as an ethnic "base" to draw from, with minority groups only being secondary or a bonus in terms of function, but kept from ever outright replacing any current majority in that nation.

Japan for example, must always be majority Japanese. France, majority French. Like Germany is to be majority German. I'm speaking of the ethnic group associated with each nation, not the language.

LOL no. Ethnostates are fucking stupid and serve no purpose other than pleasing racist.

[Hanafuridake]

I'm not super pushed about whether the idea of race persists in the long term. I'm just suspicious of why some people want to delete race.

I don't want to delete race. However, to answer your question: Because race didn't exist until 500 years ago and it's only/original use is and has been to further discriminate and divide/dehumanize human populations because of a feature that's only skin deep.

You don't find that to be fucked up?

That would be a surprise to the Tang Dynasty which banned intermarriage with “dark peoples” (Iranians, Sogdians, Arabs, Indians, Malays, Sumatrans) in the 8th century.

[The New California Republic]

I don't want to delete race. However, to answer your question: Because race didn't exist until 500 years ago and it's only/original use is and has been to further discriminate and divide/dehumanize human populations because of a feature that's only skin deep.

You don't find that to be fucked up?

That would be a surprise to the Tang Dynasty which banned intermarriage with “dark peoples” (Iranians, Sogdians, Arabs, Indians, Malays, Sumatrans) in the 8th century.

The Romans didn't seem to view black people as having their social status altered on account of being black however.

[Chan Island]

Sometimes yes, and frankly if you're insecure enough to be posting this that might actually be applying to you OP, but most of the time no. It all depends on what your thought process and reasoning is.

[San Lumen]

Stop asking him, he is a racial supremacist, you wont get anything logical from them on why racial purity matters because its a load of fucking bollocks.

It isn't nonsense, it is very much logical if you're wedded to the ideal of ethnostates and nationalism as I am. Each nation should have one single majority as an ethnic "base" to draw from, with minority groups only being secondary or a bonus in terms of function, but kept from ever outright replacing any current majority in that nation.

Japan for example, must always be majority Japanese. France, majority French. Like Germany is to be majority German. I'm speaking of the ethnic group associated with each nation, not the language.

No it should not. Who the heck cares? You have still failed to say why racial purity matters. You are aware that France and Germany are multicultural cosmopolitan countries? What constitutes a German to you?

And how are you going to prevent demographic changes? I feel like this is getting off topic and belongs in the diversity/multicultural thread.

[Jus]

It can be, but generally speaking I don't think it is. Some people have racial preferences in dating outside of their own race for example. If someone only dates their own race believing they are keeping their blood "pure", then it starts to be racist.

[Infected Mushroom]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

[Conserative Morality]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

I'd pick the coolest name.

[New haven america]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

A. If they're all considered decently attractive, then this choice shouldn't matter, should it?
B. I wouldn't go by names because they're not actually a good measure of physical/emotional attractiveness, funnily enough.

[San Lumen]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

if they are all decently attractive id probably just pick at random

[Herador]

And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from

Why? I can think of no reason this would ever happen, and with it being so far out of the realm of realism it's kind of impossible to say which I would even bother picking. Realistically my odds of choosing shit are as good as choosing a keeper so why would I even waste my time when I could replicate the experience and waste less money hitting up Applebee's and Pornhub?

[Infected Mushroom]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

if they are all decently attractive id probably just pick at random

I'd say someone who was 100% free from racism/assumptions about ethnicity... would do what you suggested

I don't expect that of most people though

Even with JUST THE NAMES and no other information, they're going to respond differently between Abu, Reiner, and Li. Just on the names alone.

[Infected Mushroom]

And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from

Why? I can think of no reason this would ever happen, and with it being so far out of the realm of realism it's kind of impossible to say which I would even bother picking. Realistically my odds of choosing shit are as good as choosing a keeper so why would I even waste my time when I could replicate the experience and waste less money hitting up Applebee's and Pornhub?

I'm saying that people apply invisible racial/ethnic-based filters all the time in choosing potential dates when they only have limited information about the potential dates (and we ALWAYS only have limited, incomplete information)

[The Republic of Fore]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

I wouldn't pick anyone. I have to actually see someone to know if I find them attractive. Whether or not other people say they are doesn't really matter. Most people I know think Emma Watson is pretty, I don't. As an example. Anyway, no It's not racist. It's not fetishism either. People like what they like. I'm mostly attracted to black women. The few times I've met someone who has had a problem with that, I've asked them if they have a problem with Kim Kardashian and Amber Rose as well. Strangely, they never seem to. Guess It's okay when It's that way around.

[Herador]

I'd say someone who was 100% free from racism/assumptions about ethnicity... would do what you suggested

I don't expect that of most people though

Even with JUST THE NAMES and no other information, they're going to respond differently between Abu, Reiner, and Li. Just on the names alone.

Turns out when people have as near to no information as possible while still having anything at all to go on, they'll make judgments based on that information alone. The smart one being, of course, to say fuck it and find someone to date on your own terms, ideally terms where you have access to any information at all.

[Herador]

Why? I can think of no reason this would ever happen, and with it being so far out of the realm of realism it's kind of impossible to say which I would even bother picking. Realistically my odds of choosing shit are as good as choosing a keeper so why would I even waste my time when I could replicate the experience and waste less money hitting up Applebee's and Pornhub?

I'm saying that people apply invisible racial/ethnic-based filters all the time in choosing potential dates when they only have limited information about the potential dates (and we ALWAYS only have limited, incomplete information)

I know what you're trying to say, you just aren't saying it well.

[Infected Mushroom]

Ok so here's an interesting thought experiment (especially for those who say its not racist):

Let's say you had to go on a random first date. And there was a list of 10 people you had to choose from; you know they are all considered decently attractive and in your age group but you know NOTHING ELSE besides their names.

Would you really pick anyone whose first or last names suggested they were not from the ethnicity of people you're typically attracted to?

Would you really pick a name in a completely random fashion and fair fashion? After all, knowing absolutely nothing, the most "logical thing" to do if you truly believe ethnicity/race will play no part may be to just use a random number generator online, number all the dates, pick 1 random number and then go on the date with the person whose number comes up.

Yet I'd say most people wouldn't. They'd eliminate the names that suggest the person is from a race/ethnicity they aren't typically attracted to as a FIRST POINT OF ELIMINATION. Then maybe they'd pick a random name from the rest or the one that sounds the best (90% of cases from their own ethnic group or a Caucasian person).

There's no poll but I'm guessing that's how it would go.

Even if you extended the experiment (say you had to pick 10 names for 10 random first dates from a list of 100)... its highly unlikely you would pick names without racial/ethnic bias.

A. If they're all considered decently attractive, then this choice shouldn't matter, should it?
B. I wouldn't go by names because they're not actually a good measure of physical/emotional attractiveness, funnily enough.

A. Correct, it in fact doesn't matter. You have 10 names of people you know are considered attractive (but you may or may not find any one of them attractive), you don't have the pictures or ANY additional information. The truth is, if you picked at random, you should expect to have generally similar probability at getting a good to bad date. However, most people are NOT going to pick at random. They're going to think: "Well I'm usually attracted to people of this demographic and they usually have this type of name, not that type of name" (or if they are more self-awaredly racist, they might think, "I shouldn't date someone with this type of name because I know on average people of this demographic have this list of cons"). I'd say the FIRST LAYER of elimination will be based on the names and which groups they are associated with. But you are right, it shouldn't make a difference.

B. They aren't. But they immediately trigger conscious/sub-conscious race-based/ethnicity-based elimination criteria. You're going to be more apprehensive about some people just based on the names alone. If you're like most people, you'd deny it even to yourself but the wheels are likely already turning.

[Infected Mushroom]

I'm saying that people apply invisible racial/ethnic-based filters all the time in choosing potential dates when they only have limited information about the potential dates (and we ALWAYS only have limited, incomplete information)

I know what you're trying to say, you just aren't saying it well.

fair enough

how would you say it?

[Herador]

I know what you're trying to say, you just aren't saying it well.

fair enough

how would you say it?

Not at all, it's just silly from top to bottom. Now if you wanted to give out more information that you tried as hard as possible to keep from being racially influenced, but choosing those with "ethnic names" to compliment the "white" ones, and keeping what information we do have relatively even while also being non-indicative of race (all our candidates have Associates degree's, but in different things. They all drive but have vastly different car preference. All are fans of TV, but our show choices keep away from an obvious bias. Etc.) we might have the makings of something interesting here where a person can reasonably choose based on some tepid surface level preference while keeping the most diverse information about them as their names.

[The Republic of Fore]

I know what you're trying to say, you just aren't saying it well.

fair enough

how would you say it?

None of these hypothetical scenarios actually matter though. None of us can predict how we would react in a situation we never have, and mostly likely never will be in. Any answer we give is meaningless, and probably just based off what we think the other person wants to hear.

[Herador]

fair enough

how would you say it?

None of these hypothetical scenarios actually matter though. None of us can predict how we would react in a situation we never have, and mostly likely never will be in. Any answer we give is meaningless, and probably just based off what we think the other person wants to here.

Yeah, this too.

[The Republic of Fore]

None of these hypothetical scenarios actually matter though. None of us can predict how we would react in a situation we never have, and mostly likely never will be in. Any answer we give is meaningless, and probably just based off what we think the other person wants to here.

Yeah, this too.

There's a saying I absolutely love. "The soldier who brags the loudest about how brave he is, will be the first one to run when the bullets start flying". That's how I feel about people who tell me about how great and moral they'd be in a hypothetical.

[Infected Mushroom]

Yeah, this too.

There's a saying I absolutely love. "The soldier who brags the loudest about how brave he is, will be the first one to run when the bullets start flying". That's how I feel about people who tell me about how great and moral they'd be in a hypothetical.

This reminds me of the time someone asked me what I would do if I was in a Prisoner's Dilemma (whether or not I would make the deal with the authorities).

I told them that I have no idea, I'd be tempted to on the one hand (because it's the "safe" option) but I'd also consider loyalty to my friends. How that balance worked out would depend on how I felt that day.

He said angrily: "ARE YOU SAYING I CAN'T TRUST YOU?"

And I remember saying, "well if you think you can trust anyone based on how they answer this question, that's a bit naive."

[The Republic of Fore]

There's a saying I absolutely love. "The soldier who brags the loudest about how brave he is, will be the first one to run when the bullets start flying". That's how I feel about people who tell me about how great and moral they'd be in a hypothetical.

This reminds me of the time someone asked me what I would do if I was in a Prisoner's Dilemma (whether or not I would make the deal with the authorities).

I told them that I have no idea, I'd be tempted to on the one hand (because it's the "safe" option) but I'd also consider loyalty to my friends. How that balance worked out would depend on how I felt that day.

He said angrily: "ARE YOU SAYING I CAN'T TRUST YOU?"

And I remember saying, "well if you think you can trust anyone based on how they answer this question, that's a bit naive."

You shouldn't trust anyone when your life is in the balance. Screw loyalty to your friends, you can make new ones. You can't get a new life. I think the best way to answer that is "I'd consult with my lawyer, and go with what he or she said".

[Infected Mushroom]

This reminds me of the time someone asked me what I would do if I was in a Prisoner's Dilemma (whether or not I would make the deal with the authorities).

I told them that I have no idea, I'd be tempted to on the one hand (because it's the "safe" option) but I'd also consider loyalty to my friends. How that balance worked out would depend on how I felt that day.

He said angrily: "ARE YOU SAYING I CAN'T TRUST YOU?"

And I remember saying, "well if you think you can trust anyone based on how they answer this question, that's a bit naive."

You shouldn't trust anyone when your life is in the balance. Screw loyalty to your friends, you can make new ones. You can't get a new life. I think the best way to answer that is "I'd consult with my lawyer, and go with what he or she said".

if the deal's valid, the lawyer is trained to 100% of the time tell you "it's your choice but I would strongly strongly advise you to take the deal"

if they advise otherwise where the deal WAS valid, then they'd open themselves up to potential malpractice suits later (from ungrateful or angry clients)

they're trained to lower the number of years you spend behind bars with the highest probability, no matter the cost (in fact, you could be advised to plead Guilty if its means a higher probability of staying in jail shorter even if you're in fact Innocent); they don't care