Is it racist to have ethnic/racial preferences in dating?

[Libertas Omnium Maximus]

Yeah, but if there are features that you like, then you like them regardless of the race, Right?

Yes? What exactly are you trying to say?

I am saying that I have no issues with liking attributes, even if they are exclusive to one race or specific sub-race.

[Ifreann]

"Person of colour" is a better way to refer to all the people who aren't white than "non-white", as that implies that white is the "normal" state of being and any other person is a deviation from that.

If one insists of understanding in terms of analogy, white isn't a colour on its own. There is no frequency of light that corresponds to "white".

Not only is that the same thing as your suggestion, but that doesn't imply anything at all. "Non-white" doesn't have racist origins meant to refer to blacks or anyone else on the receiving end of racism, so I'd rather have used "non-white" than "person of color".

Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.

Edit: Hell, "person of color" was devised to specifically state that being white was supposed to be the norm.

Entirely the opposite.

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"Person of colour" is a better way to refer to all the people who aren't white than "non-white", as that implies that white is the "normal" state of being and any other person is a deviation from that.

If one insists of understanding in terms of analogy, white isn't a colour on its own. There is no frequency of light that corresponds to "white".

I'm aware of the thought behind it. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

If you come up with a better term then let us know.

Also, there's no light frequency that corresponds to black, so are they not POC? Also, what color would we classify Irish and Italians then, because they weren't considered white for a pretty long time?

It's an analogy.

[Ifreann]

Sexism is based more on gender than sex, because sex is not actually something we ever actually know about each other. Of all the people in your life who are women, how many have you performed genetic testing on to confirm the presence of XX chromosomes? I'm guessing zero. So really, you don't think of those people as women because of their sex, but because of their gender, or more accurately their gender presentation.

Without sex we would not have gender.
But again this is not the topic. Suffice to say race and gender are different.

If you think we can do away with sexism without doing away with sex(a term I will use for your benefit), then why can racism not be done away with without doing away with race?

[Novus America]

Without sex we would not have gender.
But again this is not the topic. Suffice to say race and gender are different.

If you think we can do away with sexism without doing away with sex(a term I will use for your benefit), then why can racism not be done away with without doing away with race?

I do not think we can entirely do away with sexism.

[Nantoraka]

Not only is that the same thing as your suggestion, but that doesn't imply anything at all. "Non-white" doesn't have racist origins meant to refer to blacks or anyone else on the receiving end of racism, so I'd rather have used "non-white" than "person of color".

Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.

Edit: Hell, "person of color" was devised to specifically state that being white was supposed to be the norm.

Entirely the opposite.

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I'm aware of the thought behind it. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

If you come up with a better term then let us know.

Also, there's no light frequency that corresponds to black, so are they not POC? Also, what color would we classify Irish and Italians then, because they weren't considered white for a pretty long time?

It's an analogy.

You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.

[Ifreann]

If you think we can do away with sexism without doing away with sex(a term I will use for your benefit), then why can racism not be done away with without doing away with race?

I do not think we can entirely do away with sexism.

How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?

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Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.


Entirely the opposite.

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If you come up with a better term then let us know.


It's an analogy.

You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.

I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.

[Cekoviu]

Yes? What exactly are you trying to say?

I am saying that I have no issues with liking attributes, even if they are exclusive to one race or specific sub-race.

That's literally what I said in my original post.

[Novus America]

I do not think we can entirely do away with sexism.

How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?

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You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.

I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.

Religion is also different than race. Also religion serves a valid purpose.
I do not see what valid purpose race serves.

But sure, as long as different views of religion exist so will sectarianism.

You cannot get rid of something without getting rid of the cause of it.

[US-SSR]

If you're not interacting with / meeting / getting to know / asking out people because of their background or appearance, then probably yeah.

If you're repulsed by people because of their background or appearance, ergo not dating them, then probably definitely yeah.

If you don't think a certain person's background or appearance would appeal to you but..., what can ya say, try it, you might just like it.

If you're positively attracted to certain backgrounds or appearances, hey, go for it, everybody's gotta get their freak on, here's mine:

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Interacting is different from asking out. I wouldn't mind talking to someone who isn't my preference but I'm not going out to ask someone who doesn't clicks with me.

granted; my point being if you're not even interacting with people of different backgrounds/appearances you're not going to find one of 'em to ask out...

[New haven america]

Not only is that the same thing as your suggestion, but that doesn't imply anything at all. "Non-white" doesn't have racist origins meant to refer to blacks or anyone else on the receiving end of racism, so I'd rather have used "non-white" than "person of color".

Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.

Edit: Hell, "person of color" was devised to specifically state that being white was supposed to be the norm.

Entirely the opposite.

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I'm aware of the thought behind it. Doesn't make it any less stupid.

If you come up with a better term then let us know.

Also, there's no light frequency that corresponds to black, so are they not POC? Also, what color would we classify Irish and Italians then, because they weren't considered white for a pretty long time?

It's an analogy.

How about "Human"?

[Nantoraka]

I do not think we can entirely do away with sexism.

How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?

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You're saying as if people don't use the terms "native/non-native", "asian/non-asian", and "black/non-black". The usage of "non-X" is *supposed* to revolve around a certain group, that's the nature of those terms.

I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.

Well, I can't exactly continue from that point without invoking a form of ipse dixit on what race I am.

[The Guardians of the Rhine]

No, next question please.

If I don't want to date another race, I don't want to date a person of another race. If I want to date only white, or Asian, or black, or Indian, or Native American people, I want to date that type of person, most likely because I am that race (at least in my case; I can't speak for anyone else).

[Ifreann]

How about religion, then? Do you want religion gone to stop sectarianism?

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I'm sure you can imagine that people of colour generally aren't fond of having their identities centred on white people and not themselves.

Religion is also different than race. Also religion serves a valid purpose.
I do not see what valid purpose race serves.

But sure, as long as different views of religion exist so will sectarianism.

You cannot get rid of something without getting rid of the cause of it.

Is racism really the only kind of bigotry that you want to get rid of?

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Splitting the world into "white" and "non-white" centres white people as the point of reference.


Entirely the opposite.

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If you come up with a better term then let us know.


It's an analogy.

How about "Human"?

Are whites not human?

[American Pere Housh]

Nope

[New haven america]

Religion is also different than race. Also religion serves a valid purpose.
I do not see what valid purpose race serves.

But sure, as long as different views of religion exist so will sectarianism.

You cannot get rid of something without getting rid of the cause of it.

Is racism really the only kind of bigotry that you want to get rid of?

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How about "Human"?

Are whites not human?

Whites are humans, blacks are human, Asians are, etc...

Or person, we could use person.

[New haven america]

No, next question please.

If I don't want to date another race, I don't want to date a person of another race. If I want to date only white, or Asian, or black, or Indian, or Native American people, I want to date that type of person, most likely because I am that race (at least in my case; I can't speak for anyone else).

That's racist and here's why: You're using their race as the deciding factor of why you would/wouldn't date someone.

Come on, we figured this out 20 pages ago, keep up.

[Ifreann]

Is racism really the only kind of bigotry that you want to get rid of?

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Are whites not human?

Whites are humans, blacks are human, Asians are, etc...

Or person, we could use person.

We won't get anywhere pretending that racism isn't a thing.

[New haven america]

Whites are humans, blacks are human, Asians are, etc...

Or person, we could use person.

We won't get anywhere pretending that racism isn't a thing.

Not what I'm saying at all. Also, so you'd rather we just continue using terms invented by racist fuckwits 500 years ago in order to decide who's superior and who's less than human?

Because by that logic, you're not white. Irish only started being considered white ~70 years ago, maybe later than that.

[The Guardians of the Rhine]

No, next question please.

If I don't want to date another race, I don't want to date a person of another race. If I want to date only white, or Asian, or black, or Indian, or Native American people, I want to date that type of person, most likely because I am that race (at least in my case; I can't speak for anyone else).

That's racist and here's why: You're using their race as the deciding factor of why you would/wouldn't date someone.

Come on, we figured this out 20 pages ago, keep up.

If that's racist, then is it sexist to not want to date woman as a man?

I would like to date a white person more than a person of another race because I am a person of said race. I'm not a racist because I prefer dating the race that I am; if a black person only wanted to date black people, is that racist? What about an Asian only wanting to date Asians? If that's racist, then oh no, a good like 75% of the population of Earth is racist, yikes!

[New haven america]

That's racist and here's why: You're using their race as the deciding factor of why you would/wouldn't date someone.

Come on, we figured this out 20 pages ago, keep up.

1. If that's racist, then is it sexist to not want to date woman as a man?

2. I would like to date a white person more than a person of another race because I am a person of said race. I'm not a racist because I prefer dating the race that I am; 3. if a black person only wanted to date black people, is that racist? What about an Asian only wanting to date Asians? 4.If that's racist, then oh no, a good like 75% of the population of Earth is racist, yikes!

1. We've been over this 20 pages ago: No, it's not.
2. That's not the example you used in your original post. Your post used race as the main deciding factor, the example your using now is just preference.
3. If they only wanted to date other black people and not date others based solely/mostly on race: Yes.
4. You're not too far off the mark, actually. Some places/cultures are just better at hiding it than others. (East Asia and Latin America for example are incredibly racist)

[The Guardians of the Rhine]

1. If that's racist, then is it sexist to not want to date woman as a man?

2. I would like to date a white person more than a person of another race because I am a person of said race. I'm not a racist because I prefer dating the race that I am; 3. if a black person only wanted to date black people, is that racist? What about an Asian only wanting to date Asians? 4.If that's racist, then oh no, a good like 75% of the population of Earth is racist, yikes!

1. We've bee over this 20 pages ago: No, it's not.
2. That's not the example you used in your original post.
3. If they only wanted to date other black people and not date others based solely/mostly on race: Yes.
4. You're not too far off the mark, actually. Some places/cultures are just better at hiding it than others. (East Asia for example is incredibly racist)

Let me change up my argument a bit, then.

There's a different between being racist and preferring someone from your own race, as said by USS Monitor.

I'm white, and while I prefer dating white people, I have been in a relationship with an Asian and an African-American. But I prefer white people; does that make me a racist for preferring to date people that are also white?

Racism is saying, for example, "I'm Indian, and I will only date Indian people, even if I'm attracted to a white, asian, native american, or black person." That's a huge difference.

[New haven america]

1. We've bee over this 20 pages ago: No, it's not.
2. That's not the example you used in your original post.
3. If they only wanted to date other black people and not date others based solely/mostly on race: Yes.
4. You're not too far off the mark, actually. Some places/cultures are just better at hiding it than others. (East Asia for example is incredibly racist)

1. I'm white, and while I prefer dating white people, I have been in a relationship with an Asian and an African-American. But I prefer white people; does that make me a racist for preferring to date people that are also white?

2. Racism is saying, for example, "I'm Indian, and I will only date Indian people, even if I'm attracted to a white, asian, native american, or black person." That's a huge difference.

1. No, but that's not the argument you originally used.
2. Yeah, and that's basically the example you used in your first post.

[San Lumen]

Wait until Sai learns that every member of Hitler's Aryan experiment (Blonde hair/Blue eyed women pair with Blond haired/Blue eyed men) produced only brunettes with brown eyes.

I'd call into question the accuracy of that. Obviously a Blonde couple will produce a Blonde child, unless their genetics weren't pure from the beginning and one or both lines had an ancestor who's not Blonde.

Genetic engineering would arguably be superior to natural means of determining attributes because the "way a person appears" can be micromanaged in a lab before birth while conversely, with most reproduction there is too much random chance that can happen, thus making for some very upset parents and families on occasion.

Genetic engineering is a pathway to Brave New World and not a route you want to go down.

you also never answered this. Why is racial purity so important to you? Why does it matter who someone loves? I dont see why it matters.

Racial purity and whatever other terms you want to use are nothing more than racist white supremacist terms.


Plus my friend who is the police officer is also gay. Who are you to tell someone who they should pair with?

I wonder if you think he as mixed race person he should even be on the force.

[The Federated Soviets of North America]

Are racial preferences racist? Of course not, everyone is attracted to different things. However, outright refusal to date someone of a certain race is absolutely racist.

[Saiwania]

Plus my friend who is the police officer is also gay. Who are you to tell someone who they should pair with?
I wonder if you think he as mixed race person he should even be on the force.

He obviously shouldn't be a police officer if homosexuality is illegal where he lives. Main exception being if he's closeted enough to not have it interfere with his job performance. If being gay is legal, none of that matters. I'd say it depends on what image the state is trying to project. It only makes sense to be a police officer if someone is in full alignment with what the state wants to enforce.