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What do you do?

1. It was 100% all my fault since I killed lots of innocents. I should be glad to still exist at all (Accept my humble status in the new order of things, overall be quite positive about this)
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2. Their attitude greatly annoys me and I feel my treatment is at least partly unjustified, but I’m too scared and broken to rebel again; plus if I fail again they’re going to wreck me this time. (Very begrudgingly I accept my new humbled status in the new order of things, I will stew in resentment every day as the Gods tell me what to do)
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3. I was a Mistake? LET ME SHOW YOU! I am greater and more powerful than any of you, HOW DARE YOU TREAT ME LIKE THIS! (Begin plotting against the Gods again, start another world war when the time is right)
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Postby Foxfound » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:54 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Foxfound wrote:I guess the main problem here is it's hard to guess how you'd act in a scenario if you can't see yourself making the choices that led to it in the first place.


Just imagine that you are a massively powerful being

You’ve made some questionable/wrong decisions in the past

You only exist now because those who defeated you spared you and they like to remind you of that

Do you focus on redemption now or do you plot again?

I'd think I'd focus on redemption given my real life personality, but if I had already gotten to the point I was able to commit such horrors it's hard to know if I'm still like that here.

I guess based on my real life morality I'd do my best to accept it and redeem myself. Whether I'd still have these convictions in this scenario is hard to predict.
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Postby Elletolis » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:28 pm

Eh, I've always been of an authoritarian bent and been lenient towards "the ends justify the means" outlooks. If I was considered the highest in a hierarchy of Gods (before my warpath) then those mindsets would probably be multiplied.

I'd probably go with option three, less out of revenge (though that would be a nice bonus) and more out of the belief that the mortal races would be better off under my guiding hand. Especially if I had god-like, supernatural powers to aid in the creation of my new society.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:38 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Sometimes. I’m generally more well predisposed to other mediums like film.

So then what do you choose?

I never would have tried to dominate anyone in the first place.


I thought you were among the advocates of the idea

“Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”

In this scenario you are the greatest of creations, you wield great powers and at one point (maybe even now) you view yourself as superior to other creations. Is that hard to imagine?

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:53 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I never would have tried to dominate anyone in the first place.


I thought you were among the advocates of the idea

“Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”

I can't imagine why you think that.

In this scenario you are the greatest of creations, you wield great powers and at one point (maybe even now) you view yourself as superior to other creations. Is that hard to imagine?

If you're asking me to pretend to be a completely different person with totally different values then you aren't really asking what I would do.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:18 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
I thought you were among the advocates of the idea

“Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”

I can't imagine why you think that.

In this scenario you are the greatest of creations, you wield great powers and at one point (maybe even now) you view yourself as superior to other creations. Is that hard to imagine?

If you're asking me to pretend to be a completely different person with totally different values then you aren't really asking what I would do.


You're you except you've done the things in the hypothetical. Now that you're in the present, what do you do next?

That's usually how its intended to operate.

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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:57 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:Kefka did you find a new favourite series?


Its still Game of Thrones/ASOIF

Why would you say?


Didn’t think it had much of a religion besides some Druidic nature reverence, but I’ve not watched nor read it.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:19 pm

Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Its still Game of Thrones/ASOIF

Why would you say?


Didn’t think it had much of a religion besides some Druidic nature reverence, but I’ve not watched nor read it.


You should watch the show (books are a bit too heavy for the casual reader); I strongly recommend it.

It will help you understand the influences behind a lot of these threads that I create, A LOT. Seasons 1 to 3 was when the show was at its highest point.

Many of these scenarios draw from the series.

This thread in particular, not so much but plenty do
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Postby Woodfiredpizzas » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:26 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Woodfiredpizzas wrote:
Didn’t think it had much of a religion besides some Druidic nature reverence, but I’ve not watched nor read it.


You should watch the show (books are a bit too heavy for the casual reader); I strongly recommend it.

It will help you understand the influences behind a lot of these threads that I create, A LOT. Seasons 1 to 3 was when the show was at its highest point.

Many of these scenarios draw from the series.

This thread in particular, not so much but plenty do


Naaa I fucken hate entertainment.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:39 pm

Another angle I had failed to consider for this scenario is that technically you owe a Debt of Life to the Gods for sparing your life earlier.

I don't know whether or not that angle might sway some of the votes or not.

Technically, they granted you mercy. Perhaps that needs to be paid back. What do you think?

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Postby Sougra » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:50 pm

Well, in this scenario, if I were this person, I'd just try to make allies with the other Gods when possible and explain myself to them, as well as trying to get better treatment from getting mutual understanding, but that's not really an option.

My morals would say 1 or 2, but my character in this one suggests something akin to 3. I'd probably do 3 as this character, while trying to do everything possible to get some better treatment and to make the other Gods see me as better than they currently do.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:41 am

Sougra wrote:Well, in this scenario, if I were this person, I'd just try to make allies with the other Gods when possible and explain myself to them, as well as trying to get better treatment from getting mutual understanding, but that's not really an option.

My morals would say 1 or 2, but my character in this one suggests something akin to 3. I'd probably do 3 as this character, while trying to do everything possible to get some better treatment and to make the other Gods see me as better than they currently do.


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Postby Sougra » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:53 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Sougra wrote:Well, in this scenario, if I were this person, I'd just try to make allies with the other Gods when possible and explain myself to them, as well as trying to get better treatment from getting mutual understanding, but that's not really an option.

My morals would say 1 or 2, but my character in this one suggests something akin to 3. I'd probably do 3 as this character, while trying to do everything possible to get some better treatment and to make the other Gods see me as better than they currently do.


What's this?

The Return of the Sougra? Where have you been? Welcome back!

Ah, sorry about that. I've been caught up in the more political side of NSG among doing other things, but I saw this one and thought that I should answer it. Thank you for the warm welcome. :hug:

How have you been? And what do you think of my answer?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:00 am

Sougra wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What's this?

The Return of the Sougra? Where have you been? Welcome back!

Ah, sorry about that. I've been caught up in the more political side of NSG among doing other things, but I saw this one and thought that I should answer it. Thank you for the warm welcome. :hug:

How have you been? And what do you think of my answer?


I see...

I'm still hanging on. I've seen much better days but eh...

Your answer makes a great deal of sense.

Personally, I think Option 1 is by far the hardest option to actually act out. However, its an easier option to admit to than Option 2. I suspect in fact a lot of people would, in practice, act out according to Option 2 but they may or may not admit it and would rather pick Option 1 because on paper it displays stronger character.

Positivity in the face of antagonism and resentment is very VERY difficult from my understanding.

I suspect Option 2 in fact has a higher true vote count then displayed.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:16 am

I wouldn't be a genocidal god in the first place, so I can't really relate to this scenario.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:39 am

The New California Republic wrote:I wouldn't be a genocidal god in the first place, so I can't really relate to this scenario.


So to help some people place themselves into this situation in the OP:

You are not you (some regular citizen of a nation that has to go to school or earn a wage and can't really do anything important/world changing, fight anyone and who must answer to the law and the weaknesses of the flesh and die a probably unexceptional death).

You are an extremely powerful entity that has existed since the dawn of creation.

You answered to no one except the Supreme Creator (who you recognise as more powerful) and he's gone. And since he was like one of those pretty distant but still controlling cold personalities... you can expect that you didn't receive a great deal of guidance growing up. So when he goes and you're left with these mortals (who you consider, correctly, to be a bunch of sinful morons) and the other Gods (who you have a hard time respecting because none of them can think outside of the box or match your power)...

You decide its time to change things.

Now its entirely NATURAL under such a situation, to develop maybe a pretty large or sizeable ego and not a whole lot of self restraint. I mean basically once the Supreme Creator is gone you are the next big person in town. And I mean its not like the Supreme Creator set the best example either.

If a mortal were to behave in this way we might say they have a God complex or some form of delusions of grandeur but the thing is... in this scenario YOU ARE A GOD. Which means you can literally move mountains and do stuff that's completely impossible otherwise. Its possible that because you experience no limits until your defeat, you are in fact better described as a teenager (with a teenage sized ego) that happens to be some tens-hundreds of thousands of years old and wields some incomprehensible mass of power. There are rules that limit your power but these are metaphysical and strange God rules enforced by the framework set by the Creator, not laws of men enforced by uniforms.

Clearly, you wouldn't have to struggle for money, study to get high grades, lust after people, or deal with the frailties of the body. So MAYBE you wouldn't have developed a very thick skin so that you can be exploited, bullied, rejected, and used... you don't have quite the same... CHARACTER that is required to properly conform to the norms of mortal livelihood.

If some mortal looks at you the wrong way you can simply kill him or else bend him to your will. Do you see how that kind of power may corrupt?

Your concerns are more... cosmic and ego driven, whatever that might mean.

Now clearly, there's a bit of You in this scenario but there's also certain factors that may lead you to behave differently because you are not bound by the same rules and limits that we mortals must contend with.

Try to imagine that.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:57 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I wouldn't be a genocidal god in the first place, so I can't really relate to this scenario.


Clearly, you wouldn't have to struggle for money, study to get high grades, lust after people, or deal with the frailties of the body.

This bit isn't really selling it for me. The Greek gods are far better on account that they do desire riches, to learn, to have sex, and have frailties.

But that aside, considering that the choice is an eternity of condescension by the other gods, or trying again and this time being benevolent after a victory, with the chance to rule the underworld should I be cast into it if I fail, then I'd probably go for a last roll of the dice.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:59 am

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:09 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Rebel again but this time on mankind's side.


you were technically (officially) on their side the last time, it just wasn't necessarily always perceived that way

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Postby Esternial » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:15 am

Throw myself in the Eternal Flames.

Anything else is dishonorable and pathetic. I'm no pathetic God.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:26 am

Esternial wrote:Throw myself in the Eternal Flames.

Anything else is dishonorable and pathetic. I'm no pathetic God.


Eh?

But why do that?

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Postby Caracasus » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:51 am

So I'm some sort of powerful god thing in this scenario? Alright. Okay then, I'm gonna bugger off to some other part of the cosmos, find or create a pretty chilled out planet without much in the way of problems and live there as a semi-contactable guiding genius loci thing in case there's a massive natural disaster or whatnot. Otherwise I'll just chill out and enjoy the paradise world I made.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:56 am

Caracasus wrote:So I'm some sort of powerful god thing in this scenario? Alright. Okay then, I'm gonna bugger off to some other part of the cosmos, find or create a pretty chilled out planet without much in the way of problems and live there as a semi-contactable guiding genius loci thing.

Yup. Find a planet with a sentient species on it already and be their god, as the rival gods seem to be totally engrossed in Earth's affairs, seemingly not giving a shit about anywhere else.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:16 am

Caracasus wrote:So I'm some sort of powerful god thing in this scenario? Alright. Okay then, I'm gonna bugger off to some other part of the cosmos, find or create a pretty chilled out planet without much in the way of problems and live there as a semi-contactable guiding genius loci thing in case there's a massive natural disaster or whatnot. Otherwise I'll just chill out and enjoy the paradise world I made.


there are divine rules that govern what life you can or can't create and how it has to be done, if you do that, then you would in effect start the war against the Gods

not to mention limits to your power and some rules of free will stuff prevent utopias from being truly created

the idea is that the Supreme Creator wanted humanity to have a special place in the universe and the rules are fairly narrow minded about what can/can't be done (which was one of the reasons you decided to take charge instead of playing with the team in the first war)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:18 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Caracasus wrote:So I'm some sort of powerful god thing in this scenario? Alright. Okay then, I'm gonna bugger off to some other part of the cosmos, find or create a pretty chilled out planet without much in the way of problems and live there as a semi-contactable guiding genius loci thing.

Yup. Find a planet with a sentient species on it already and be their god, as the rival gods seem to be totally engrossed in Earth's affairs, seemingly not giving a shit about anywhere else.


only the Supreme Creator can truly leave this plane of existence, and in this plane of existence the other Gods enforce a very strict no life creation rule to safeguard humanity's "special status" throughout the cosmos (all supposedly in the name of the Creator's rules)

you can try to do that but once they discover you're doing that, it would be in violation of the terms of your release

basically, the other Gods want to tell you what you can/can't do with your powers, you're basically treated as if on permanent parole watch

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Postby Linderman » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:25 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:I wouldn't be a genocidal god in the first place, so I can't really relate to this scenario.


So to help some people place themselves into this situation in the OP:

You are not you (some regular citizen of a nation that has to go to school or earn a wage and can't really do anything important/world changing, fight anyone and who must answer to the law and the weaknesses of the flesh and die a probably unexceptional death).

You are an extremely powerful entity that has existed since the dawn of creation.

You answered to no one except the Supreme Creator (who you recognise as more powerful) and he's gone. And since he was like one of those pretty distant but still controlling cold personalities... you can expect that you didn't receive a great deal of guidance growing up. So when he goes and you're left with these mortals (who you consider, correctly, to be a bunch of sinful morons) and the other Gods (who you have a hard time respecting because none of them can think outside of the box or match your power)...

You decide its time to change things.

Now its entirely NATURAL under such a situation, to develop maybe a pretty large or sizeable ego and not a whole lot of self restraint. I mean basically once the Supreme Creator is gone you are the next big person in town. And I mean its not like the Supreme Creator set the best example either.

If a mortal were to behave in this way we might say they have a God complex or some form of delusions of grandeur but the thing is... in this scenario YOU ARE A GOD. Which means you can literally move mountains and do stuff that's completely impossible otherwise. Its possible that because you experience no limits until your defeat, you are in fact better described as a teenager (with a teenage sized ego) that happens to be some tens-hundreds of thousands of years old and wields some incomprehensible mass of power. There are rules that limit your power but these are metaphysical and strange God rules enforced by the framework set by the Creator, not laws of men enforced by uniforms.

Clearly, you wouldn't have to struggle for money, study to get high grades, lust after people, or deal with the frailties of the body. So MAYBE you wouldn't have developed a very thick skin so that you can be exploited, bullied, rejected, and used... you don't have quite the same... CHARACTER that is required to properly conform to the norms of mortal livelihood.

If some mortal looks at you the wrong way you can simply kill him or else bend him to your will. Do you see how that kind of power may corrupt?

Your concerns are more... cosmic and ego driven, whatever that might mean.

Now clearly, there's a bit of You in this scenario but there's also certain factors that may lead you to behave differently because you are not bound by the same rules and limits that we mortals must contend with.

Try to imagine that.


So then... I'm the bad guy?

tbh I sound like a pretty unlikable character

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