50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[The Black Party]

You're objectively wrong. Doubly so, since Islamic extremists are most frequently far-right ideologically.

damn, ADL back at it again with the 100% unbias account on far-right terrorism? jeez, that's a knee-slapper.

It's very convenient that you just slide Islamic extremism under the umbrella term of Far-Right, very convenient. Just slide it in there. I suppose all of the Far-Right's hatred for Islamic expansion and immigration into Europe is just friendly fire.

[Liriena]

"Toxic individual", says the person who just dedicated a lengthy post to speculating about my appearance and lifestyle in a sad attempt to demean me.

If you think I'm a troll, report me. And if you want to roast me, don't be so lazy about it.

Ranting about a toxic individual certainly doesn't make me toxic. But hey, all you really have to justify yourself is "but ur toxic too heuheu". Pathetic.

But hey, what can you do? All your options are meme harder, post pathetic ad hominems are post some creepy sexual comments to try and make people leave of their own volition. You have nothing else. You're weak ideologically, weak meme-wise, weak insult-wise. You have nothing. But don't worry. I'm sure someone else will come along for you to troll so you can desperately try to get a few minutes of enjoyment in your otherwise meaningless existence on this site.

Are you done?

Good.

So, the main culprit behind this left quite the (metaphorical) trail of breadcrumbs in terms of his ideology and inspirations. The discourse is gonna be messy for the next couple days with how many people got named as inspirations in his manifesto.

[Torrocca]

The ideology itself, and the festering ideas that manifest from it.

I can link you an archive of the 8chan thread that came about just before the shooting which demonstrates this clearly (if it's allowed by the mods), or the shooter's manifesto, which does the same, if you'd so like.

Which ideology is that?

There are many strains of far-right ideology.

All of them.

You're objectively wrong. Doubly so, since Islamic extremists are most frequently far-right ideologically.

damn, ADL back at it again with the 100% unbias account on far-right terrorism? jeez, that's a knee-slapper.

It's very convenient that you just slide Islamic extremism under the umbrella term of Far-Right, very convenient. Just slide it in there. I suppose all of the Far-Right's hatred for Islamic expansion and immigration into Europe is just friendly fire.

Whoa, you're saying that reactionaries hate reactionaries who disagree with them religiously? Say it ain't so!

[The Black Party]

Absolute horror. This recent trend of right-wing terrorism is concerning.

???

[The Archregimancy]

...a bit. You're a toxic individual. You're a divider who only gets any enjoyment in life from internet trolling.

Row it back, Yusseria - you're this close to another formal warning.

[Yusseria]

Which ideology is that?

There are many strains of far-right ideology.

All of them.

damn, ADL back at it again with the 100% unbias account on far-right terrorism? jeez, that's a knee-slapper.

It's very convenient that you just slide Islamic extremism under the umbrella term of Far-Right, very convenient. Just slide it in there. I suppose all of the Far-Right's hatred for Islamic expansion and immigration into Europe is just friendly fire.

Whoa, you're saying that reactionaries hate reactionaries who disagree with them religiously? Say it ain't so!

Huh, wow. What a beautiful, in-depth analysis.

[Yusseria]

...a bit. You're a toxic individual. You're a divider who only gets any enjoyment in life from internet trolling.

Row it back, Yusseria - you're this close to another formal warning.

Very well. But would you also so kind as to yell at the admitted troll that I responded to?

[Torrocca]

All of them.



Whoa, you're saying that reactionaries hate reactionaries who disagree with them religiously? Say it ain't so!

Huh, wow. What a beautiful, in-depth analysis.

I don't quite care to engage with you in much depth, to be quite frank. It's pretty obvious you don't care to see the forest for the trees, after all.

[The Black Party]

All of them.



Whoa, you're saying that reactionaries hate reactionaries who disagree with them religiously? Say it ain't so!

Huh, wow. What a beautiful, in-depth analysis.

It's just one big misunderstanding, It's just the Battle of Karánsebes x20

[Liriena]

Row it back, Yusseria - you're this close to another formal warning.

Very well. But would you also so kind as to yell at the admitted troll that I responded to?

Don't use mods as weapons in General. You've made your report elsewhere.

[Yusseria]

Huh, wow. What a beautiful, in-depth analysis.

I don't quite care to engage with you in much depth, to be quite frank. It's pretty obvious you don't care to see the forest for the trees, after all.

Oh, I'm quite eager to hear your reasoning for blaming the right.

Of course, as we both know your only interest here is virtue-signalling as you believe this is a good attempt to prove how the right is collectively responsible.

[RiderSyl]

Absolute horror. This recent trend of right-wing terrorism is concerning.

???

I didn't say anything inaccurate.

[Yusseria]

Very well. But would you also so kind as to yell at the admitted troll that I responded to?

Don't use mods as weapons in General. You've made your report elsewhere.

I was simply asking him if he was also going to deal with an instance trolling.

After all, trolls are a problem.

[Torrocca]

I don't quite care to engage with you in much depth, to be quite frank. It's pretty obvious you don't care to see the forest for the trees, after all.

Oh, I'm quite eager to hear you're reasoning for blaming the right.

It's certainly not like the motherfucker didn't use symbols or statements popular with the far-right, or write both a whole fucking manifesto and create an 8chan thread that was heavily lauded by the far-right before the shooting occurred.

[Bombadil]

There is no doubt that at heart this is the product of online communities fuelling white supremacist ideology that feeds up into alt-right memery and stoking fears about immigration all the way up to the political level.

It remains to be seen but if this is a coordinated attack with 3 people.. then it's hard to pin it on mental health issues alone. The fact that he announced his intentions and people blessed him for it as he went on his way.. just this general lenience on hateful shitposting and communities that do nothing but share fearful, racist, supremacist bullshit requires a level of clear monitoring and protocols to help alert local law enforcement to potential acts.

The fact none of the suspects were on any list when they're openly participating and posting in /chan threads is something that needs an approach,

In the meantime 40 people are dead and a nation is coming to terms with something simply not expected, and worse chosen specifically because it was not expected.

Meanwhile..

New Zealand police commissioner, Mike Bush, is due to give another update in about 30 minutes at 9pm local time.

[Liriena]

Don't use mods as weapons in General. You've made your report elsewhere.

I was simply asking him if he was also going to deal with an instance trolling.

After all, trolls are a problem.

That's what Moderation is for.

[The Black Party]

I don't quite care to engage with you in much depth, to be quite frank. It's pretty obvious you don't care to see the forest for the trees, after all.

Can't argue with that logic, I mean, I could try but when he/she is right, he/she is right?

What can I say, it's about time, ami'rite? high five.

It's certainly not like the motherfucker didn't use symbols or statements popular with the far-right, or write both a whole fucking manifesto and create an 8chan thread that was heavily lauded by the far-right before the shooting occurred.

He also threw in a "Sub to Pewdiepie" there, he's practically Hitler at this point!

[Kaystein]

Memes aren't the cause...yet. We need to study, maybe it influenced him. I'm just horrified by their memes.

And, well, I can't be friends with potential shooters like these or supporters of shooters like these can I?

It's immoral.

But yes, I recognize how extreme that reaction is, so will consider it before I make a choice.

Do you not see what you're doing? You're becoming the very thing you sought to destroy. Literally. This man shot up a Mosque because he was convinced the actions of a few Muslims represented the majority. Now you are literally doing the same with you so called "friends".

Memes have always been horrific. Bad things and bad people have existed before this attack. This isn't the nail that broke the Camel's back or whatever, that Meme's all of a sudden need to be studied.

Unfortunately, you're right and wrong. Right in that, we cannot lump all people into groups. That would be foolish.

You're wrong in trying to tell them not to do what they're planning on doing. I agree with what eternal lotharia has said. I would do the same thing. It's a horrific ideology, and if it's supported by any individual then better people need to distance themselves from those individuals, and hopefully, it will sink into the brains of those individuals that what they believe is morally wrong and incompatible with western society.

[The Archregimancy]

Shh, baby, don't use big words if you can't put some weight behind them. And specially not after making white terrorism apologia your #1 hot take for a thread about a white terrorist attack which killed dozens of innocent Muslims.

Ah, nice to see you're shitting up another thread with your discount leftypol-level memes. Even better when mixed in with the cringe, wannabe black sass. You're a pasty white dude probably wearing ripped skinny jeans and a "Bash Da Fash" t-shirt that you and your commie dork friends all have while sitting in your basement with tofu crumbs on your cheeks while you sip from your Starbucks coffee. And i can only imagine your 5'0, 82-pound physique. Perfectly suitable for the uncomfortable, creepy sexual comments you make when debating with people that perfectly encapsulates why people hate communists.

Go away.

I missed this earlier post.

Yusseria, *** 1-day ban for flaming/trolling/baiting ***

I'll deal with Yusseria's retaliatory report on Liriena separately.

[Caracasus]

This became political when a decent chunk of political movements and parties started using Muslims and their perceived status as "other" as political currency. This terrorist's manifesto doesn't exist in a vaccum, it exists against a backdrop of dogwhistle Islamaphobia in the press and full, mask off racism in online spaces and the real world. Most people who encounter it aren't going to shoot up a mosque or whatever. However, there will of course be the occasional person divorced from reality who does.

If you've contributed to that sort of atmosphere, then I really hope you're feeling deeply fucking ashamed about now.

[RiderSyl]

It's certainly not like the motherfucker didn't use symbols or statements popular with the far-right, or write both a whole fucking manifesto and create an 8chan thread that was heavily lauded by the far-right before the shooting occurred.

He also threw in a "Sub to Pewdiepie" there, he's practically Hitler at this point!

He killed 40 people. He's more than practically comparable to a mass murderer. He is a mass murderer.

[Castelia]

Seriously, this is disgusting. I'm hoping the killer/s get caught as fast as possible to prevent them from hurting anyone else.

[The Black Party]

This became political when a decent chunk of political movements and parties started using Muslims and their perceived status as "other" as political currency. This terrorist's manifesto doesn't exist in a vaccum, it exists against a backdrop of dogwhistle Islamaphobia in the press and full, mask off racism in online spaces and the real world. Most people who encounter it aren't going to shoot up a mosque or whatever. However, there will of course be the occasional person divorced from reality who does.

If you've contributed to that sort of atmosphere, then I really hope you're feeling deeply fucking ashamed about now.

I don't, at all.

Bad things happen because bad people chose to do said things. The attacker was delusional. My doctor reaffirms that I am not. Someone who wishes to voice their opinions, no matter how hateful they are, as long as they are within law, are in no way responsible for this attack.

[The Archregimancy]

Study memes? lmao.... Ebic

Well, when I say "study" what I actually mean is "bully anyone with a fashy weaboo avatar or a fashy pepe avatar until they log out for good".

Liriena, *** 1-day ban for trolling. ***

Note that I've taken your full record over time into account when making this ruling; you really need to reconsider your posting approach on this type of issue.

[Caracasus]

This became political when a decent chunk of political movements and parties started using Muslims and their perceived status as "other" as political currency. This terrorist's manifesto doesn't exist in a vaccum, it exists against a backdrop of dogwhistle Islamaphobia in the press and full, mask off racism in online spaces and the real world. Most people who encounter it aren't going to shoot up a mosque or whatever. However, there will of course be the occasional person divorced from reality who does.

If you've contributed to that sort of atmosphere, then I really hope you're feeling deeply fucking ashamed about now.

I don't, at all.

Bad things happen because bad people chose to do said things. The attacker was delusional. My doctor reaffirms that I am not. Someone who wishes to voice their opinions, no matter how hateful they are, as long as they are within law, are in no way responsible for this attack.

Legally no. In reality at least some of that damage is on your hands. Still I guess you will probably find a way to weasel out of it.