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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:44 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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I love how they use two literal propaganda outlets (Mass Shooting Tracker and Gun Violence Archive) and a couple partisan news sources instead of, I dunno, the fucking FBI lol.

God Wiki is shit.


Is the information presented wrong?


According to the FBI, yes.

Vassenor wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I love how they use two literal propaganda outlets (Mass Shooting Tracker and Gun Violence Archive) and a couple partisan news sources instead of, I dunno, the fucking FBI lol.

God Wiki is shit.


So what is the correct number?


From what I know zero.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Is the information presented wrong?


According to the FBI, yes.


Ok. Linky?
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Postby Loben » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:45 pm

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might be. friend of yours?


Didn't know her personally. She was one of the oldsters and well it could be argued a force in NSG.


ah, apparently NSG had its heyday a long time ago it seems.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:46 pm

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Didn't know her personally. She was one of the oldsters and well it could be argued a force in NSG.


ah, apparently NSG had its heyday a long time ago it seems.


Well? It's heyday is matter of debate.

She passed away.
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Postby Loben » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:47 pm

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ah, apparently NSG had its heyday a long time ago it seems.


Well? It's heyday is matter of debate.

She passed away.


im sorry.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:49 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
According to the FBI, yes.


Ok. Linky?


No link handy atm, but the FBI definition is 4 or more people killed in a spree attack in a public place.

The 10 bajillion mass shootings a second meme needs to die, it was started by a redditor who openly admitted he loved propaganda and wanted to spread misinformation.
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Postby Licana » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:51 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
According to the FBI, yes.


Ok. Linky?


https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/mass-shootings.html

In the 1980s, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defined mass murderer as someone who “kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location” (Krouse and Richardson, 2015). However, the government has never defined mass shooting as a separate category, and there is not yet a universally accepted definition of the term.


FBI doesn't have a specific definition for mass shooting, they just go by mass murder.
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So was the M-16.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:52 pm

Loben wrote:
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Well? It's heyday is matter of debate.

She passed away.


im sorry.


No worries. It happened in 2017.....
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:54 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Ok. Linky?


No link handy atm, but the FBI definition is 4 or more people killed in a spree attack in a public place.

The 10 bajillion mass shootings a second meme needs to die, it was started by a redditor who openly admitted he loved propaganda and wanted to spread misinformation.


Well? That link I listed showed the numbers of dead and or injured at 4 or more per incident.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:58 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No link handy atm, but the FBI definition is 4 or more people killed in a spree attack in a public place.

The 10 bajillion mass shootings a second meme needs to die, it was started by a redditor who openly admitted he loved propaganda and wanted to spread misinformation.


Well? That link I listed showed the numbers of dead and or injured at 4 or more per incident.


The underlined represents the big problem with that definition and how its been used to spread misinformation. Mass Shooting Tracker and GVA for example have used silly ass incidents like kids shooting BB guns at people as "mass shootings" because well they're injuries right?

And god forbid if you ever look into their school shooting numbers, half of them don't even happen on school grounds and most of them don't even involve staff or students.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:03 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
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Well? That link I listed showed the numbers of dead and or injured at 4 or more per incident.


The underlined represents the big problem with that definition and how its been used to spread misinformation. Mass Shooting Tracker and GVA for example have used silly ass incidents like kids shooting BB guns at people as "mass shootings" because well they're injuries right?

And god forbid if you ever look into their school shooting numbers, half of them don't even happen on school grounds and most of them don't even involve staff or students.


Ok. Do you have a listing which was a bb gun? The listings and news links don't list the type of weapon (the few that I clicked).

Just looking at fatalities; there were 43 incidents. Unless of course they are that good with a BB gun.
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
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Hence the importance of the right privilege to bear arms. :>

FTFY. But that also works both ways.

It's a "privilege" only when governments make it one.
By default it's a right unless authoritarians start mucking with things.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:43 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
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2 in how many decades?

oh but by all means, begin limiting rights because its the virtuous thing to do.


Three decades.

We have had 65 since the start of the year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2019

65? What exactly is Wiki defining as a mass shooting?
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Postby Licana » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:44 pm

Yusseria wrote:
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Three decades.

We have had 65 since the start of the year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2019

65? What exactly is Wiki defining as a mass shooting?

I mean, it's right there in the link.
There are many definitions of a mass shooting:

Mass Shooting Tracker: 4+ shot in one incident, at one location, at roughly the same time.[4]
Gun Violence Archive: 4+ shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time.[5]
Vox: 4+ shot in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at one location, at roughly the same time.[6][7]
USA Today: 4+ shot and killed in one incident, at one location, at roughly the same time (same as the FBI's "mass killing" definition).[8]
Mother Jones: 3+ shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at a public place, excluding gang-related killings.[9]
The Washington Post: 4+ shot and killed in one incident, excluding the perpetrator(s), at a public place, excluding gang-related killings.[10]
Only incidents considered mass shootings by at least two of the above definitions are listed.
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Puzikas wrote:Gulf War One was like Slapstick: The War. Except, you know, up to 40,000 people died.

Vitaphone Racing wrote:Never in all my years have I seen someone actually quote the dictionary and still get the definition wrong.

Husseinarti wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Do lets. I really want to hear another explanation about dirty vaginas keeping women out of combat, despite the vagina being a self-cleaning organ.

So was the M-16.

Senestrum wrote:How are KEPs cowardly? Surely the "real man" would in fact be the one firing giant rods of nuclear waste at speeds best described as "hilarious".
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:44 pm

Yusseria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Three decades.

We have had 65 since the start of the year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2019

65? What exactly is Wiki defining as a mass shooting?

When a projectile with mass is shot and it's recorded.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:45 pm

Yusseria wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Three decades.

We have had 65 since the start of the year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m ... es_in_2019

65? What exactly is Wiki defining as a mass shooting?


Take a look at the link. They list 4 or more injuries and or deaths......
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* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:43 pm

I think this thread has run its course. We have a gun control thread, which I'm sure you all know how to find. Do not re-post unless you're prepared to stay on topic. In fact, I'd wait at least 24 hours after the lock. Appeals belong in Moderation.
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