50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Khataiy]

It is the collection of Iran their proxies and their allies and backers and their crimes reverberate and they support and protect one another he is part of those waves through his support of China.

You still haven't explained how he actually supports China. "This entity has views that are close to mine" =/= "I support this entity".

If he didn't support them why bother praising them and saying that they are close to him? He specifically mentioned them he clearly support the Chinese.

[Khataiy]

It is the collection of Iran their proxies and their allies and backers and their crimes reverberate and they support and protect one another he is part of those waves through his support of China.

Supporting persecution of Muslims =/= supporting China

In most cases it does because people that hate us see what Chine does and are okay with it based on the principle of their animosity

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Supporting persecution of Muslims =/= supporting China

In most cases it does because people that hate us see what Chine does and are okay with it based on the principle of their animosity

False. Liking/disliking an aspect of something/someone does not mean you like/dislike the whole thing.

Ex: I like certain aspects of my school, not all of it. I dislike certain aspects of cats, but they're still awesome.

[Vassenor]

You still haven't explained how he actually supports China. "This entity has views that are close to mine" =/= "I support this entity".

If he didn't support them why bother praising them and saying that they are close to him? He specifically mentioned them he clearly support the Chinese.

Just because your confirmation bias is grasping at straws to make something true does not make it true.

[Khataiy]

In most cases it does because people that hate us see what Chine does and are okay with it based on the principle of their animosity

False. Liking/disliking an aspect of something/someone does not mean you like/dislike the whole thing.

Ex: I like certain aspects of my school, not all of it. I dislike certain aspects of cats, but they're still awesome.

You are making a case for this animal and a case for China well knowing their crimes there is a present link that this maniac supports China and it is known what the Chinese do, yet you still are making a case to disassociate them from one another when they are equally as bad and allies of one another.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

You still haven't explained how he actually supports China. "This entity has views that are close to mine" =/= "I support this entity".

If he didn't support them why bother praising them and saying that they are close to him? He specifically mentioned them he clearly support the Chinese.

Pretty sure he is saying he supports the concept of China's detaining and oppression of Muslims, not China as a whole.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

False. Liking/disliking an aspect of something/someone does not mean you like/dislike the whole thing.

Ex: I like certain aspects of my school, not all of it. I dislike certain aspects of cats, but they're still awesome.

You are making a case for this animal and a case for China well knowing their crimes there is a present link that this maniac supports China

Not accordong to his manifesto. According to you and another nation here, he said he likes the oppression of Muslims in China, not that he likes China 100%.

and it is known what the Chinese do, yet you still are making a case to disassociate them from one another when they are equally as bad and allies of one another.

They're not allies.

[Auristania]

You are making a case for this animal and a case for China well knowing their crimes there is a present link that this maniac supports China and it is known what the Chinese do, yet you still are making a case to disassociate them from one another when they are equally as bad and allies of one another.

One can say they like Hitler being a Vegan, but can hate Hitler otherwise.

Or they can say they like he fought communists, but hate Hitler otherwise.

Ditto for Nazi Government fighting Communists.

It's not mutually exclusive, stop using caveman logic.

He admires China as an ethnic state that cares for the Chinese race. He wishes that White governments would care for the White race. He hates that White governments care for the Islamic Church, IF White governments would care for the Chinese race, he would be just as angry.

He wants White governments to be White patriots, he don't want them to be Chinese patriots. It is an ANALOGY.

stop using caveman logic.

He has to use caveman logic. He insists that Adam and Eve are literally true.

[Pope Joan]

One can say they like Hitler being a Vegan, but can hate Hitler otherwise.

Or they can say they like he fought communists, but hate Hitler otherwise.

Ditto for Nazi Government fighting Communists.

It's not mutually exclusive, stop using caveman logic.

He admires China as an ethnic state that cares for the Chinese race. He wishes that White governments would care for the White race. He hates that White governments care for the Islamic Church, IF White governments would care for the Chinese race, he would be just as angry.

I agree, But the idea of a national ethnic identity is doomed by history, We can cherish our roots through museums and songs, stories and rituals. But they are for the past.

[Kowani]

One can say they like Hitler being a Vegan, but can hate Hitler otherwise.

Or they can say they like he fought communists, but hate Hitler otherwise.

Ditto for Nazi Government fighting Communists.

It's not mutually exclusive, stop using caveman logic.

He admires China as an ethnic state that cares for the Chinese race. He wishes that White governments would care for the White race. He hates that White governments care for the Islamic Church, IF White governments would care for the Chinese race, he would be just as angry.

He wants White governments to be White patriots, he don't want them to be Chinese patriots. It is an ANALOGY.

stop using caveman logic.

He has to use caveman logic. He insists that Adam and Eve are literally true.

What the heck is the “Islamic race?”

[Fedel]

Referring to your post on page 102 where you're seemingly in support of the idea that the alt right radicalized the shooter despite no evidence having been provided evidence for that being the case.

Considering the phrase "alt right" does not appear in any post I made on page 102, I am not sure what post you are referring to here.

Your last post on that page. In it you interject in a conversation where somebody claimed that the alt right had radicalized the shooter and the other asked how that would be different from other ideologies inspiring a shooting at a particular church.

You pointed out the flaw in the latter' person's argument but don't point out that the former didn't provide any evidence for their claim. That implies to me that you agree with the statement or that you didn't care to point out the false basis of that particular stance in comparison to the other suggesting your biased in favor of one narrative over another. Either way that's something I can't respect.

[Ausinia]

So your blaming the problems of the world on one thing? Criminals? It is not one time of person who ruins the world, we all do it.

It is the collection of Iran their proxies and their allies and backers and their crimes reverberate and they support and protect one another he is part of those waves through his support of China.

Conservatives have beliefs in protecting the world in one way. Progressives do too. Doesn’t mean they support each other, they just have common beliefs, but different ways of going about it.

[Bombadil]

Personally I suspect his journey started with his dabbling in Bitcoin, or whichever variation he used, given that community is very much populated by libertarians who want to destroy the government. That's not far from connecting to white supremacy beliefs and beyond.

Having said that we won't know and may never know unless they really spend time with him uncovering what that journey of radicalisation was. My feeling is he was looking for a cause and latched onto whatever meandered into his path. I'd not be surprised if he wandered through various causes before alighting on this particular one.

Someone searching for a cause will find one, alas he found one that was highly destructive to the cost of 50 people, the soul of a nation and probably will, alas, help to further define battle lines that should be broken down.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

He admires China as an ethnic state that cares for the Chinese race. He wishes that White governments would care for the White race. He hates that White governments care for the Islamic Church, IF White governments would care for the Chinese race, he would be just as angry.

He wants White governments to be White patriots, he don't want them to be Chinese patriots. It is an ANALOGY.

He has to use caveman logic. He insists that Adam and Eve are literally true.

A: I agree, that was the idea I was discussing, and the persecution of Muslims.

B: Don't slander people who believe adam and eve are literally true, that's unnecessary and irrelevant to caveman logic, and offensive to many people it offends me because it seems like an insult if I believe adam and eve are literally true, and unnecessarily vitriolic and hostile, and irrelevant. One can be beyond caveman logic and still believe that.

We won't debate Adam and Eve here I just am calling you out for using that as an insult.

I was gonna do the same.

[Cedoria]

>tfw you kill 77 people and only get 21 years

Man, I really do hope NZ doesn't have such retarded laws and puts this guy away for life.

The longest non-parole sentence received in New Zealand for a single murder is 27 years. At the moment, the Crown is looking at sentencing him under criminal justice laws because, unfortunately, no one is all that familiar with existing terrorist legislations (we've never really used it). Legal experts have said that "preventative detention" will likely be the sentence handed down, which is the Crown's way of keeping people in jail indefinitely.

The Prime Minister has also hinted that the terrorist might be deported back to Australia after sentencing, which hasn't happened before.

Our government probably wouldn't take him. How could we take him back and then deny bringing IS fighters back when we get challenged on that? (recall we're trying to avoid that).

I don't think our government will take him back if he's deported, it would undercut their whole policy. If the government changes at the election, maybe, but I don't see anything changing before then.

[Cedoria]

Some truth bombs about this animal is one the same side as the Chinese, Assad, the Party of Satan and the Iranian Safavid State they are all allies of one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4noba6VhEhM&gl=BH
https://www.orient-news.net/en/news_sho ... -kill-more

None of those groups favour each other in any degree beyond geopolitical conveniance. Drawing any kind of ideological connection between them is purely bonkers.

[Costa Fierro]

The teenager mentioned earlier has appeared in court today, and has been refused bail.

Here are the charges:

One charge is dated March 15, the day of the shooting. It alleges an offence under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act by distributing an objectionable publication – a live stream of the murder of multiple victims at the Deans Avenue Mosque.

The other charge alleges an offence between March 8 and March 15, under the same Act, by making an objectionable publication showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message "Target Acquired" and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.

[Kowani]

The teenager mentioned earlier has appeared in court today, and has been refused bail.

Here are the charges:

One charge is dated March 15, the day of the shooting. It alleges an offence under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act by distributing an objectionable publication – a live stream of the murder of multiple victims at the Deans Avenue Mosque.

The other charge alleges an offence between March 8 and March 15, under the same Act, by making an objectionable publication showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message "Target Acquired" and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.

If he gets prison time, we have a problem, but a fine is desirable.

[Negarakita]

The teenager mentioned earlier has appeared in court today, and has been refused bail.

Here are the charges:

One charge is dated March 15, the day of the shooting. It alleges an offence under the Films, Videos, and Publications Classifications Act by distributing an objectionable publication – a live stream of the murder of multiple victims at the Deans Avenue Mosque.

The other charge alleges an offence between March 8 and March 15, under the same Act, by making an objectionable publication showing a photograph of the mosque in Deans Avenue with the message "Target Acquired" and further chat messaging around inciting extreme violence.

If he gets prison time, we have a problem, but a fine is desirable.

He gloated about a massacre and encouraged the guy on. Prison is definitely warranted. Just as it would be if it was someone cheerleading isis.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So, Brenton Tarrant has fired his lawyer and plans to represent himself.

[Kowani]

So, Brenton Tarrant has fired his lawyer and plans to represent himself.

He’s gotten a megaphone handed to him...

[Negarakita]

So, Brenton Tarrant has fired his lawyer and plans to represent himself.

He’s gotten a megaphone handed to him...

Hopefully they will do a media blackout of the case then, and stop the public from entering. Remove this stage from him.

[Kowani]

He’s gotten a megaphone handed to him...

Hopefully they will do a media blackout of the case then, and stop the public from entering. Remove this stage from him.

Yeah, that’d go over well. And it'd give the extremists even more ammunition.

[Negarakita]

Hopefully they will do a media blackout of the case then, and stop the public from entering. Remove this stage from him.

Yeah, that’d go over well. And it'd give the extremists even more ammunition.

Meaning?

[Kowani]

Yeah, that’d go over well. And it'd give the extremists even more ammunition.

Meaning?

One word-Censorship.