50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[United States of Devonta]

I think what he is saying is that you are wrong. And your grasping at straws. And claiming that two what seems to be short term attendees of the mosque who radicalized is the fault of the mosque. Thats a big jump

The mosque hosted radical speakers on occasion. The shooter himself linked two videos related to the mosque in question of these speeches in his manifesto.

Question: Where did the perpetrator say he chose that specific mosque for that specific reason?

See above.

I find it curious that both of you are so hesitant to consider this might have been a radical mosque, as though it would change the nature of the attack.

Killing people is wrong, you know. It's not less wrong based on what they think or say.

Can you show me the videos? Because right now, its all here say.

[Yusseria]

You can't stop lone wolf attacks.

You can, however, prevent them before the plans are set in stone. Deradicalization does work.

This guy wasn't on any watchlists and apparently didn't have a criminal history up to this point.

How do you deradicalize someone like that besides forcibly committing them to some reeducation camp?

[Yusseria]

The whole "we mustn't talk about the terrorist's ideology because he wanted to cause political divisions" argument being made is such bullshit. Yeah, the guy wanted to increase left/right tensions and spark a race war. Doesn't change the fact that he was a white supremacist who was quite blatantly radicalized by the daily avalanche of paranoid, mush-brained garbage coming from the extremely online far right and a lot of corporate-backed grifters who take advantage of it. He was the end product of years of fake-ironic memes purposefully exploited by far right ideologues to recruit vulnerable, mediocre young men, of Lauren Southern's "muh great replacement" shtick and of Ben Shapiro's "most muslims are dangerous extremists" nonsense.

Not talking about the ideology behind this, not doing anything to address it and tackle it, is not a solution. Appeasement, apathy, has never solved this sort of crisis.

Indeed. The problem of far-right terrorism, while more minor in the western world than Islamic one, should still be tackled the same way.

The problem is, of course, Liri only takes this tough stance when it's a white nationalist.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You can, however, prevent them before the plans are set in stone. Deradicalization does work.

This guy wasn't on any watchlists and apparently didn't have a criminal history up to this point.

How do you deradicalize someone like that besides forcibly committing them to some reeducation camp?

We can start by giving 8chan and /pol/ the same standing as we give ISIS publications.

[Aellex]

Trying to "understand" Brenton Tarrant is easy. He was a narcissistic psychopath egged on by a congregation of narcissistic psychopaths online until he went and shot up a hundred plus people. Next thing we know somebody's going to "attempt to understand" why Aum Shinrikyo dropped sarin in the Tokyo Metro.

Well yes, it's interesting to look at the strategic and propaganda related reasons that motivate terrorists to strike one place rather than the other.
Just dismissing everything because they're "madmen" solves nothing and prevent even less.

[Yusseria]

This guy wasn't on any watchlists and apparently didn't have a criminal history up to this point.

How do you deradicalize someone like that besides forcibly committing them to some reeducation camp?

We can start by giving 8chan and /pol/ the same standing as we give ISIS publications.

You're gonna treat an online image board the same way you treat an actual publication? Good luck.

And, uh, you do realize /pol/ is one part of a much larger 4chan?

[Ostroeuropa]

This guy wasn't on any watchlists and apparently didn't have a criminal history up to this point.

How do you deradicalize someone like that besides forcibly committing them to some reeducation camp?

We can start by giving 8chan and /pol/ the same standing as we give ISIS publications.

Nothing is stopping others from going to /pol/ and posting as they please, including to drown out the others.

You're basically up and deciding to ban an empty room people walk into to have conversations because you're angry the conversation can't be controlled but too lazy to participate. Which is why the mainstream media is pushing that narrative too.

They hate the notion of political discussion they can't control the direction of. That is substantially different to banning monologues from particular sources.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

We can start by giving 8chan and /pol/ the same standing as we give ISIS publications.

Nothing is stopping others from going to /pol/ and posting as they please, including to drown out the others.

You're basically up and deciding to ban an empty room people walk into to have conversations because you're angry the conversation can't be controlled but too lazy to participate. Which is why the mainstream media is pushing that narrative too.

They hate the notion of political discussion they can't control the direction of. That is substantially different to banning monologues from particular sources.

So how many individuals on /pol/ have you engaged in "civilised discussion" this week Ostro?

[Ostroeuropa]

Nothing is stopping others from going to /pol/ and posting as they please, including to drown out the others.

You're basically up and deciding to ban an empty room people walk into to have conversations because you're angry the conversation can't be controlled but too lazy to participate. Which is why the mainstream media is pushing that narrative too.

They hate the notion of political discussion they can't control the direction of. That is substantially different to banning monologues from particular sources.

So how many individuals on /pol/ have you engaged in "civilised discussion" this week Ostro?

I don't go on /pol/, but i have seen examples of substantive conversations communicated in memey ways. The far-right is only a subsection of /pol/.

[Aellex]

The far-right is only a subsection of /pol/.

It really isn't tbh. It's not called a containment board by people for nothing.

[Yusseria]

The far-right is only a subsection of /pol/.

It really isn't tbh. It's not called a containment board by people for nothing.

Eh, /leftypol/ still exists. Though I will admit it is mostly far-right.

[Liriena]

Indeed. The problem of far-right terrorism, while more minor in the western world than Islamic one, should still be tackled the same way.

The problem is, of course, Liri only takes this tough stance when it's a white nationalist.

Back to smearing me, I see.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The thing is, this vicious cycle of far-right adherents and Muslim fundamentalists whacking eachother and causing hundreds of fatalities will only continue and grow worse if the heads of both snakes are not decapitated and disposed of properly.

This isn’t rocket science, they’re literally locked in a vicious cycle of radicalization from ping-ponging at eachother.

[Yusseria]

The problem is, of course, Liri only takes this tough stance when it's a white nationalist.

Back to smearing me, I see.

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

[Yusseria]

The thing is, this vicious cycle of far-right adherents and Muslim fundamentalists whacking eachother and causing hundreds of fatalities will only continue and grow worse if the heads of both snakes are not decapitated and disposed of properly.

This isn’t rocket science, they’re literally locked in a vicious cycle of radicalization from ping-ponging at eachother.

I would be all for letting them fight each other if they didn't kill so many innocent people along the way.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The thing is, this vicious cycle of far-right adherents and Muslim fundamentalists whacking eachother and causing hundreds of fatalities will only continue and grow worse if the heads of both snakes are not decapitated and disposed of properly.

This isn’t rocket science, they’re literally locked in a vicious cycle of radicalization from ping-ponging at eachother.

I would be all for letting them fight each other if they didn't kill so many innocent people along the way.

Listen, as much as I despise fundies and far-righties equally, this ain’t it chief.

[United States of Devonta]

The thing is, this vicious cycle of far-right adherents and Muslim fundamentalists whacking eachother and causing hundreds of fatalities will only continue and grow worse if the heads of both snakes are not decapitated and disposed of properly.

This isn’t rocket science, they’re literally locked in a vicious cycle of radicalization from ping-ponging at eachother.

I would be all for letting them fight each other if they didn't kill so many innocent people along the way.

This.

[United States of Devonta]

Back to smearing me, I see.

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

I think this requires you to cite an example of her suck-up-atude to Islamic extremism.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

I think this requires you to cite an example of her suck-up-atude to Islamic extremism.

>her

Yikes.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Back to smearing me, I see.

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

I've noticed that too.

[United States of Devonta]

I think this requires you to cite an example of her suck-up-atude to Islamic extremism.

>her

Yikes.

Triggered. I misgendred didn't I?

[CrvenaParsa]

This guy wasn't on any watchlists and apparently didn't have a criminal history up to this point.

How do you deradicalize someone like that besides forcibly committing them to some reeducation camp?

We can start by giving 8chan and /pol/ the same standing as we give ISIS publications.

That will only make those on said forums become more committed and radical in their beliefs. Face it, if you want to combat the Far-Right as of now, the best thing you can do is either do nothing or stop mass immigration and demographic shifts in the west.

[Fedel]

I just read through about 5 pages of what I'd call willful misinterpretation, but honestly I think it's possible that the people simply couldn't understand the points being made ( and that's a terrifying thought ).

[Liriena]

Back to smearing me, I see.

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

"It's just a fact", claims the person who's presented no substantial evidence.

[Liriena]

>her

Yikes.

Triggered. I misgendred didn't I?

I don't really care, tbh. But I AM a dude.