50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Nevv Vegas]

NZ Police are threating up to 10 years imprisonment for anyone in possession of the livestream footage, 14 years for hosting/distribution and a 200k NZD fine for corporate entities doing the same.

At least one forum hosting the video is being asked to turn over user data including IP and email addresses to the NZ police/govt.

Good thing i'm on the other side of the globe. Anyone posting it on sites won't be a friend of the police, so they are cutting water with scissors. Also most will be overseas.

[Costa Fierro]

NZ Police are threating up to 10 years imprisonment for anyone in possession of the livestream footage, 14 years for hosting/distribution and a 200k NZD fine for corporate entities doing the same.

At least one forum hosting the video is being asked to turn over user data including IP and email addresses to the NZ police/govt.

What the actual fuck ?

Oh, those are our "censorship" laws.

[Vassenor]

The whole "we mustn't talk about the terrorist's ideology because he wanted to cause political divisions" argument being made is such bullshit. Yeah, the guy wanted to increase left/right tensions and spark a race war. Doesn't change the fact that he was a white supremacist who was quite blatantly radicalized by the daily avalanche of paranoid, mush-brained garbage coming from the extremely online far right and a lot of corporate-backed grifters who take advantage of it. He was the end product of years of fake-ironic memes purposefully exploited by far right ideologues to recruit vulnerable, mediocre young men, of Lauren Southern's "muh great replacement" shtick and of Ben Shapiro's "most muslims are dangerous extremists" nonsense.

Not talking about the ideology behind this, not doing anything to address it and tackle it, is not a solution. Appeasement, apathy, has never solved this sort of crisis.

Like I said, the commentators and pundits are desperately trying to bury this because they don't want people to realise his shit is more or less lifted straight from what they've said. Hell, Southern has been desperately trying to delete anything she said about the Great Replacement since the attack.

[Cetacea]

The alleged shooter has exactly the right politics but like Anders Breivik, acted with too much haste. He is perhaps not wrong to decry the direction his country has been going in. This could've been averted in my view, if immigration from certain undeveloped countries would've been closed off. It is urgent that immigration only be limited to other rich countries at minimum. At least rich immigrants bring money and job creation. If you import Somalis, Afghanis, or people from other poor countries that're more of a burden, of course locals are going to grow wroth about letting any more in.

New Zealand will build a wall to keep the terrorist out - and we will make the Australians pay for it!


look, there have been Muslims in Christchurch for 170 years (since the 1850s) and they have been a peaceful, moderate community that has positively contributed to New Zealand society.

The only Terrorism to ever occur in New Zealand has come from Europeans - the latest was an Australia who had no right to decry immigration policy in New Zealand, he was driven by an irrational doctrine of hatred spurred by the same extremist views that yourself and Breivek carried.

It is not the poor, muslims or immigrants we have to fear - its You

[Khataiy]

None other than a supporter of Assad would have the nerve to say this the only tragedy here is there isn't more victims, this is who the Safavids and the Party of Satan ("Hezbollah") back this is the face of them they are all united against Islam, this is the so-called "anti-Zionist resistance" that is so wise and great this is the face of their disgrace in the open. Yet some people still do not understand that opposition to Assad, Iran and the Party of Satan is a matter of life and death and the defense of the Arab and Islamic people from their plots.

https://www.orient-news.net/en/news_sho ... -kill-more

[British Tackeettlaus]

NZ Police are threating up to 10 years imprisonment for anyone in possession of the livestream footage, 14 years for hosting/distribution and a 200k NZD fine for corporate entities doing the same.

At least one forum hosting the video is being asked to turn over user data including IP and email addresses to the NZ police/govt.

A bit heavy handed but I wont cry to much for them. Honestly if you have sought out and watched this video I personally would really judge you negatively as a human being. I'm not going to call out anybody in particular, I know it is a lot of you in this thread, I would just say you should perhaps have a good look at yourself.

[The Alma Mater]

The alleged shooter has exactly the right politics but like Anders Breivik, acted with too much haste. He is perhaps not wrong to decry the direction his country has been going in. This could've been averted in my view, if immigration from certain undeveloped countries would've been closed off. It is urgent that immigration only be limited to other rich countries at minimum. At least rich immigrants bring money and job creation. If you import Somalis, Afghanis, or people from other poor countries that're more of a burden, of course locals are going to grow wroth about letting any more in.

New Zealand will build a wall to keep the terrorist out - and we will make the Australians pay for it!


look, there have been Muslims in Christchurch for 170 years (since the 1850s) and they have been a peaceful, moderate community that has positively contributed to New Zealand society.

The only Terrorism to ever occur in New Zealand has come from Europeans - the latest was an Australia who had no right to decry immigration policy in New Zealand, he was driven by an irrational doctrine of hatred spurred by the same extremist views that yourself and Breivek carried.

It is not the poor, muslims or immigrants we have to fear - its You

And yet this very mosque was linked to two terrorists: https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

[Vassenor]

New Zealand will build a wall to keep the terrorist out - and we will make the Australians pay for it!


look, there have been Muslims in Christchurch for 170 years (since the 1850s) and they have been a peaceful, moderate community that has positively contributed to New Zealand society.

The only Terrorism to ever occur in New Zealand has come from Europeans - the latest was an Australia who had no right to decry immigration policy in New Zealand, he was driven by an irrational doctrine of hatred spurred by the same extremist views that yourself and Breivek carried.

It is not the poor, muslims or immigrants we have to fear - its You

And yet this very mosque was linked to two terrorists: https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

Well. Clearly that means all these people had to die then?

I'm not following the logic here.

[Duhon]

The alleged shooter has exactly the right politics but like Anders Breivik, acted with too much haste. He is perhaps not wrong to decry the direction his country has been going in. This could've been averted in my view, if immigration from certain undeveloped countries would've been closed off. It is urgent that immigration only be limited to other rich countries at minimum. At least rich immigrants bring money and job creation. If you import Somalis, Afghanis, or people from other poor countries that're more of a burden, of course locals are going to grow wroth about letting any more in.

Those Muslims that asshole Tarrant from Australia mowed down were living their lives, minding their own business, praying to their god, harmless as they could be. They're a credit to any civilized society, Tarrant is fucking not. Get out.

[The Alma Mater]

And yet this very mosque was linked to two terrorists: https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

Well. Clearly that means all these people had to die then?

I'm not following the logic here.

Of course not - but painting the mosque as a center of enlightened islam (as I myself did) filled to the brim with nice and contributing people that are paragons of virtue that had never caused any trouble in New Zealad seems to be going too far in the opposite direction.

It was a conglomeration of humans. Some good, some bad.

[Duhon]

NZ Police are threating up to 10 years imprisonment for anyone in possession of the livestream footage, 14 years for hosting/distribution and a 200k NZD fine for corporate entities doing the same.

At least one forum hosting the video is being asked to turn over user data including IP and email addresses to the NZ police/govt.

A bit heavy handed but I wont cry to much for them. Honestly if you have sought out and watched this video I personally would really judge you negatively as a human being. I'm not going to call out anybody in particular, I know it is a lot of you in this thread, I would just say you should perhaps have a good look at yourself.

I have seen the video and read the manifesto. If you don't wanna see both, that's your call, but I say there's value to doing this beyond morbid curiosity. Eisenhower did order his own soldiers and people from the surrounding country to see what the Nazis have wrought at their concentration camps; why not sear those words, those images, into my mind as well?

[Khataiy]

Well. Clearly that means all these people had to die then?

I'm not following the logic here.

Of course not - but painting the mosque as a center of enlightened islam (as I myself did) filled to the brim with nice and contributing people that are paragons of virtue that had never caused any trouble in New Zealad seems to be going too far in the opposite direction.

"Enlightened Islam" who are you to tell us how to practice our religion and the fact it doesn't stand for the changes that YOU and like minded people think Islam needs makes this savagery any better?

[Duhon]

Of course not - but painting the mosque as a center of enlightened islam (as I myself did) filled to the brim with nice and contributing people that are paragons of virtue that had never caused any trouble in New Zealad seems to be going too far in the opposite direction.

"Enlightened Islam" who are you to tell us how to practice our religion and the fact it doesn't stand for the changes that YOU and like minded people think Islam needs makes this savagery any better?

He isn't condoning what happened in Christchurch, far from it. He's saying that the mosque had some undesirables among its worshippers, people who should've been screened out and caught.

[Khataiy]

"Enlightened Islam" who are you to tell us how to practice our religion and the fact it doesn't stand for the changes that YOU and like minded people think Islam needs makes this savagery any better?

He isn't condoning what happened in Christchurch, far from it. He's saying that the mosque had some undesirables among its worshippers, people who should've been screened out and caught.

50 innocent people are dead and this is the topic of discussion? That is nothing more than shameful, offensive and demeaning to the victims and their families the only "undesirable" here is the wasteful filth that did this cowardly attack.

[Vassenor]

New Zealand will build a wall to keep the terrorist out - and we will make the Australians pay for it!


look, there have been Muslims in Christchurch for 170 years (since the 1850s) and they have been a peaceful, moderate community that has positively contributed to New Zealand society.

The only Terrorism to ever occur in New Zealand has come from Europeans - the latest was an Australia who had no right to decry immigration policy in New Zealand, he was driven by an irrational doctrine of hatred spurred by the same extremist views that yourself and Breivek carried.

It is not the poor, muslims or immigrants we have to fear - its You

And yet this very mosque was linked to two terrorists: https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

That was five years ago, for one.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

He isn't condoning what happened in Christchurch, far from it. He's saying that the mosque had some undesirables among its worshippers, people who should've been screened out and caught.

50 innocent people are dead and this is the topic of discussion? That is nothing more than shameful, offensive and demeaning to the victims and their families the only "undesirable" here is the wasteful filth that did this cowardly attack.

I don’t know, I find Islam is rather undesirable.

[Ausinia]

The alleged shooter has exactly the right politics but like Anders Breivik, acted with too much haste. He is perhaps not wrong to decry the direction his country has been going in. This could've been averted in my view, if immigration from certain undeveloped countries would've been closed off. It is urgent that immigration only be limited to other rich countries at minimum. At least rich immigrants bring money and job creation. If you import Somalis, Afghanis, or people from other poor countries that're more of a burden, of course locals are going to grow wroth about letting any more in.

New Zealand will build a wall to keep the terrorist out - and we will make the Australians pay for it!

*shock*
You listen here mate! Australia, is not Tasmania! Bully them all you want, but leave the rest of us out of i- sorry? They want compensation? Make the tassies pay for it!

Jokes aside, well put. Lots of people need to know it’s not just Muslims or middle eastern people who cause these things. Their are people from European countries, and Australia, NZ and America who join ISIS, and extremist groups, their are Aussies, Kiwis, Americans, Europeans, who do extreme actions, and their are probably people who have shot at fellow members of their home country.


The problem is not the many Muslims who live in a country, but it is the actions of a few, some not even Muslim, or middle eastern, as seen here. Closing the access to and from these countries does not fix the problem of extremism, it doesn’t even limit it. It only creates two societies, an open one and a closed one. A closed society will not function. Society will not ruction.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

NZ Police are threating up to 10 years imprisonment for anyone in possession of the livestream footage, 14 years for hosting/distribution and a 200k NZD fine for corporate entities doing the same.

At least one forum hosting the video is being asked to turn over user data including IP and email addresses to the NZ police/govt.

I'm from the US, so I should be safe. After all, NZ law doesn't apply to me.

Extraordinary rendition to a Saudi run black site in the Yemen, for some enhanced interrogation.

[Lamoni]

50 innocent people are dead and this is the topic of discussion? That is nothing more than shameful, offensive and demeaning to the victims and their families the only "undesirable" here is the wasteful filth that did this cowardly attack.

I don’t know, I find Islam is rather undesirable.

This thread is about a terrorist attack in New Zealand, not about your personal opinions on Islam. Move along.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

I don’t know, I find Islam is rather undesirable.

This thread is about a terrorist attack in New Zealand, not about your personal opinions on Islam. Move along.

Roger.

[Ostroeuropa]

Consider that the attacker claims the attack has been planned for 2 years and work backwards.


Debunking some claims about the moderate nature of the mosque;

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-03/ ... ke/5497908

Islamic Terrorist recruit was tapped by a Christchurch Muslim, they met in Christchurch.).

https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

Al-Qaeda links to Christchurch.

https://e2nz.org/2015/01/03/new-zealand ... shionista/

ISIS recruitment center in Christchurch.

NZ government itself was keeping tabs on 80 Muslims in Christchurch for suspected terrorist affiliation.

Does that make the choice of target and the "why" more comprehensible to people? The talk of "Invaders" and so on?

This wasn't a matter of "He just thought all muslims bad and that's why he killed them.". He may well have thought that, but he targeted the largest Islamic terrorist center in New Zealand. People there knew what their preachers and peers were and what they believed, what the mosque was a center of.

Does that make it justified?

No. It just puts it into the proper context.

[Vassenor]

Consider that the attacker claims the attack has been planned for 2 years and work backwards.


Debunking some claims about the moderate nature of the mosque;

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-03/ ... ke/5497908

Islamic Terrorist recruit was tapped by a Christchurch Muslim, they met in Christchurch.).

https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

Al-Qaeda links to Christchurch.

https://e2nz.org/2015/01/03/new-zealand ... shionista/

ISIS recruitment center in Christchurch.

NZ government itself was keeping tabs on 80 Muslims in Christchurch for suspected terrorist affiliation.

Does that make the choice of target and the "why" more comprehensible to people? The talk of "Invaders" and so on?

Still doing the victim blaming shtick? Also nice assumption that he must be telling the absolute truth rather than just bullshitting.

[Ostroeuropa]

Consider that the attacker claims the attack has been planned for 2 years and work backwards.


Debunking some claims about the moderate nature of the mosque;

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-03/ ... ke/5497908

Islamic Terrorist recruit was tapped by a Christchurch Muslim, they met in Christchurch.).

https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

Al-Qaeda links to Christchurch.

https://e2nz.org/2015/01/03/new-zealand ... shionista/

ISIS recruitment center in Christchurch.

NZ government itself was keeping tabs on 80 Muslims in Christchurch for suspected terrorist affiliation.

Does that make the choice of target and the "why" more comprehensible to people? The talk of "Invaders" and so on?

Still doing the victim blaming shtick? Also nice assumption that he must be telling the absolute truth rather than just bullshitting.

Nice thought-terminating cliche there. Do you think viewing an act of Palestinian or Israeli violence in isolation is "victim blaming" when you note the complexity of the situation?

Bullshitting about what?

[Samudera Darussalam]

50 innocent people are dead and this is the topic of discussion? That is nothing more than shameful, offensive and demeaning to the victims and their families the only "undesirable" here is the wasteful filth that did this cowardly attack.

Hey, calm down

[Chan Island]

Still doing the victim blaming shtick? Also nice assumption that he must be telling the absolute truth rather than just bullshitting.

Nice thought-terminating cliche there. Do you think viewing an act of Palestinian or Israeli violence in isolation is "victim blaming" when you note the complexity of the situation?

Bullshitting about what?

Regardless of the situation, I think we can all agree that this was a terrible tragedy that shouldn't be repeated.