50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Dresderstan]

Guy's made his first appearance in court, according to the New Zealand Police.

That was quite fast to end up appearing in court.

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But you mean 4chan hasent always been an Alt-Right cess pool?

Back in the 2000's it wasn't yet a hivemind of the alt-right and wasn't so political, but it was still a fucking dump where sexual predators were glorified and spamming every slur one could think of was considered hilarious.

[Licana]

But you mean 4chan hasent always been an Alt-Right cess pool?

From its inception until about 2010-2012 it was much more left-wing than right, if you wanted to try to ascribe ideological preference to it.

[Vassenor]

Guy's made his first appearance in court, according to the New Zealand Police.

That was quite fast to end up appearing in court.

This is just a preliminary hearing. Generally ends with the imposition or denial of bail conditions and scheduling of the actual trial.

Also we may be up to at least one copy-cat or inspired attack.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes. His rampage was very memey. 4chan loved him.

I wad to young at the time, ig. I just remember the typical hacks like Bill O'Reilly and Hannity smear Obama over it.

But you mean 4chan hasent always been an Alt-Right cess pool?

No. 4chan has always been contrarian (though admittedly it's trolling was less political back in the day and was more focused on pop culture). During the Bush era they were just as hostile to conservatives (particularly Evangelical Christians).

4chan didn't become alt right until 2012 or so. Ron Paul got the ball moving and then the George Zimmerman case tilted the slope. And once they realized that SJW's were just as prudish as Evangelical Christians, they saw an easy target.

[Rostavykhan]

Christopher Dorner, the cop killer?

It remember how Fox News smeared Obama and the left for his manifesto.

Yes. His rampage was very memey. 4chan loved him.

Can't corner the Dorner.

[The South Falls]

I wad to young at the time, ig. I just remember the typical hacks like Bill O'Reilly and Hannity smear Obama over it.

But you mean 4chan hasent always been an Alt-Right cess pool?

No. 4chan has always been contrarian (though admittedly it's trolling was less political back in the day and was more focused on pop culture). During the Bush era they were just as hostile to conservatives (particularly Evangelical Christians).

4chan didn't become alt right until 2012 or so. Ron Paul got the ball moving and then the George Zimmerman case tilted the slope. And once they realized that SJW's were just as prudish as Evangelical Christians, they saw an easy target.

I do wonder why they haven't switched back. There's so much rightist material ready for the mocking.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes. His rampage was very memey. 4chan loved him.

Can't corner the Dorner.

This guy

[Australian rePublic]

It's fascinating, the hypocrisy that much of the right-wing is willing to stoop to when the extremist is a far-right Christian versus when the extremist is a far-right Muslim.

MUCH of the right wing? Just because there a few froot loops out there, it doesn't mean we all share the froot loopiness

[Shamhnan Insir]

Literally exactly what the guy was trying to do.
At what point do you stop treating these people as idiots and start treating them as accessories?

I thought he was trying to get the US gun control lobby to cause a civil war. Not get the New Zealand government to implement stricter gun control laws.

You're thinking too narrow. He wanted to involve/name/tie in as many variables as possible for the biggest impact beyond the shooting of religious people he saw as a threat.
The live stream combined with posts on certain sites and forums tars that entire medium (and arguably those within its sphere) into being an accessory (and speculative mouthpiece) for his actions. Take a look at the reactions on these platforms and the downright war between the forces that circulate within them.
He made brief directive mentions about several figures and groups, be they youtubers, presidents or organisations to fan sparks that are already alight from the dis-connectivity and alienation in parts of society structure already. This also serves a distraction purpose for his plan, it passes the buck in a sense.
Further, he has played this out for the "internet" audience which has lapped it up and more. And as much as it fucking pains me, he played this like a fiddle and it appears he has succeeded in at least some of his plan, even at this early stage.
The bastard has planned this and knew where to hit and how, knowing the buttons to push and the correct groups to incite. The outrage at the act in itself is being drowned out in the noise of distracted reactionary groups who are possibly ignorant or unwilling to admit that at this point they were played like puppets and fools.

[Torrocca]

It's fascinating, the hypocrisy that much of the right-wing is willing to stoop to when the extremist is a far-right Christian versus when the extremist is a far-right Muslim.

MUCH of the right wing?

Yes. See, for instance, most if not all the far-right subreddits on Reddit.

Just because there a few froot loops out there, it doesn't mean we all share the froot loopiness

I specifically said "much" and not "all" of the right-wing specifically because of that.

[The South Falls]

It's fascinating, the hypocrisy that much of the right-wing is willing to stoop to when the extremist is a far-right Christian versus when the extremist is a far-right Muslim.

MUCH of the right wing? Just because there a few froot loops out there, it doesn't mean we all share the froot loopiness

This man is a definite froot loop.

He does not represent the entire right wing.

[Seythennia]

But you mean 4chan hasent always been an Alt-Right cess pool?

Only /pol/ is in itself political and people on the other boards hate when /pol/ topics are brought up elsewhere. /pol/'s been largely a mix of nazism and some libertarianism (specifically supporters of Ron Paul in 2012 and Rand in 2016) up until Trump's campaign when it started to get flooded with r/the_donald boomers and edgy kids.

Can't corner the Dorner.

Can't flimflam the Zimzam.

[Licana]

I do wonder why they haven't switched back. There's so much rightist material ready for the mocking.

Probably because the mainstream left keeps doubling down on the behaviours that started this trend in the first place. But really the political history of 4pol and its future doesn't exactly have much to do with the topic of this thread.

This might through, it seems American Law Enforcement offices are asking for one of the hosts of the raw livestream footage to release it to them for training purposes.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes. His rampage was very memey. 4chan loved him.

I wad to young at the time, ig. I just remember the typical hacks like Bill O'Reilly and Hannity smear Obama over it.

But you mean 4chan hasent always been an Alt-Right cess pool?

Also, I forgot to mention, most of 4chan is actually non-political stuff. From things as innocuous as fashion and cooking to hardcore pornography.

[Esternial]

I suspect he has an entire Life Philosophy degree from there, I mean he seems to have picked up every dumbass conspiracy and 'voice' for this shit.. he's the first pure meme mass shooter.

He did it to stir up a reaction and cause more division, and it's looking like some parts of the media are just going along with it.

Plenty of articles already popped up which make it painfully evident their writers didn't bother reading the manifesto or didn't care to include the shooter's motives for not just being a cunt, but being a memey cunt.

[Australian rePublic]

MUCH of the right wing? Just because there a few froot loops out there, it doesn't mean we all share the froot loopiness

This man is a definite froot loop.

He does not represent the entire right wing.

My point exactly

[Nantoraka]

He had an ideology that was hateful and violent, but the scariest part about it was that it was detailed. He had a plan to cause a civil war. I'm sure he was fucking crazy-- normal people surrounded by a civil society don't do that-- but if he were *just* crazy this would not have happened. He went out of his way to leave as much chaos and confusion in his wake as possible. He wanted to enflame everybody on either end of the political picket line and he did this at multiple levels. If he wasn't so evil I'd almost call him clever, it's probably one of the most nakedly political killings of the past decade, it's scary.

[The South Falls]

I do wonder why they haven't switched back. There's so much rightist material ready for the mocking.

Probably because the mainstream left keeps doubling down on the behaviours that started this trend in the first place. But really the political history of 4pol and its future doesn't exactly have much to do with the topic of this thread.

This might through, it seems American Law Enforcement offices are asking for one of the hosts of the raw livestream footage to release it to them for training purposes.

I mean, one of the arguments I hate are "the left/muslims did ____ so they deserve ____" The first blank often being fabricated.

[Telconi]

Probably because the mainstream left keeps doubling down on the behaviours that started this trend in the first place. But really the political history of 4pol and its future doesn't exactly have much to do with the topic of this thread.

This might through, it seems American Law Enforcement offices are asking for one of the hosts of the raw livestream footage to release it to them for training purposes.

I mean, one of the arguments I hate are "the left/muslims did ____ so they deserve ____" The first blank often being fabricated.

Because people have collective guilt boners.

[Ostroeuropa]

reddit is cracking down on p. much anything related to the incident, and no one cares on 4channel outside of /pol/ and maybe /int/.

I don't care at all how any given discussion forum is moderated or what's said where. What I am talking about is the awareness of just how many people worldwide have been consumed by this miasma of toxic bigotry and fear, those who have been brainwashed to think they're under siege from foreigners, Muslims, Jews, feminists, socialists, or whatever other nemesis they're convinced is out there trying to destroy them, and those doing the brainwashing, those who recruit to this cause - if you could even call it a cause, if it's not just nihilistic flailing.

Every hour of every day, more are joining in, some of them at such a young age. I can't even fathom how many, and how to mitigate the damage. I don't even know where the point of no return is. When someone is first influenced by this ideology in their teens or earlier and a decade or two later when they become the next shooter or one of the thousands cheering on the shooter from behind their screen. When is it too late to save them?

The far-right doesn't have massive amounts of control over media and societies institutions, and they're hardly celebrated socially. If the movement is growing, maybe you should wonder what about society is causing a push factor.

[Bear Stearns]

reddit is cracking down on p. much anything related to the incident, and no one cares on 4channel outside of /pol/ and maybe /int/.

I don't care at all how any given discussion forum is moderated or what's said where. What I am talking about is the awareness of just how many people worldwide have been consumed by this miasma of toxic bigotry and fear, those who have been brainwashed to think they're under siege from foreigners, Muslims, Jews, feminists, socialists, or whatever other nemesis they're convinced is out there trying to destroy them, and those doing the brainwashing, those who recruit to this cause - if you could even call it a cause, if it's not just nihilistic flailing.

Every hour of every day, more are joining in, some of them at such a young age. I can't even fathom how many, and how to mitigate the damage. I don't even know where the point of no return is. When someone is first influenced by this ideology in their teens or earlier and a decade or two later when they become the next shooter or one of the thousands cheering on the shooter from behind their screen. When is it too late to save them?

That seems like a stretch. I think people who commit violence in the name of their ideology already have other characteristics besides extremeness. Social isolation, anger, depression, etc.

Because there are several people who have an ideology that people would lump in with the shooter's who are professors, bankers, lawyers, firefighters, soldiers, pilots, etc.

[The South Falls]

I mean, one of the arguments I hate are "the left/muslims did ____ so they deserve ____" The first blank often being fabricated.

Because people have collective guilt boners.

It makes me absolutely mad. No one deserves to be shot dead.

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I don't care at all how any given discussion forum is moderated or what's said where. What I am talking about is the awareness of just how many people worldwide have been consumed by this miasma of toxic bigotry and fear, those who have been brainwashed to think they're under siege from foreigners, Muslims, Jews, feminists, socialists, or whatever other nemesis they're convinced is out there trying to destroy them, and those doing the brainwashing, those who recruit to this cause - if you could even call it a cause, if it's not just nihilistic flailing.

Every hour of every day, more are joining in, some of them at such a young age. I can't even fathom how many, and how to mitigate the damage. I don't even know where the point of no return is. When someone is first influenced by this ideology in their teens or earlier and a decade or two later when they become the next shooter or one of the thousands cheering on the shooter from behind their screen. When is it too late to save them?

The far-right doesn't have massive amounts of control over media and societies institutions, and they're hardly celebrated socially. If the movement is growing, maybe you should wonder what about society is causing a push factor.

Yeah, I read your earlier posts about the "push factor", which reminds me I wanted to reply to you and ask you a question.

You were talking about Muslims not being properly integrated into Western society and all that. If that's such a factor in bigotry against Muslims, why do so many of the same people who hate Muslims also hate Jews? Jews who live in Western countries are more or less entirely integrated, so much so that in America, Britain, anywhere in continental Europe, you really couldn't even identify one in a crowd except for one who adheres to orthodox dress codes. For the most part though Jews are utterly indistinguishable from your average Christian or secular person in the same country though. So why is that?

[Ostroeuropa]

Because people have collective guilt boners.

It makes me absolutely mad. No one deserves to be shot dead.

Political violence is usually a result of having no avenue for representation. Politics is merely violence, that's all it is. It is the societal discussion on when violence is appropriate, who the appropriate targets are, for what ends, and so on. It is a discussion about violence and how to use it.

And if you actively decide some people have no place in that discussion, they will form their own. That is how it has always been and will always be.