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Postby Tareldar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Tareldar wrote:I think that part was sarcasm at the idea video games cause violence.


The only part of the manifesto worth noting is that he explicitly said he believes the status quo is fucked, entrenched, and cannot be changed except through violence.

He explicitly says he thinks it's a good idea to empower your violent ideological opponents because violent change is the only thing that will save us, and baiting eachother into escalating violence will mean the status quo changes even if your side loses.

He says chaos, division, and violence are his goal.

He THEN plays right into a list of media stereotypes in a bid to get everyone claiming he belongs to the other side and get the media to scream that vast swathes of the population are enabling violent terrorists, from environmentalists to white nationalists, socialists to trump supporters, PRC style communists to capitalists, gamers to drug users, and so on.

Everything in the manifesto that explains why he did what he did needs to be viewed in the context of his explicit goal and motivation that he elaborates on BEFORE he lists a bunch of things that """Influenced""" him, and when you notice that, you'll notice his list of influences are basically a list of people the media love to demonize and hate.

He is doing it to bait the media into attacking the public, and the public into attacking eachother, and to ratchet up tensions and violence so that the media, the politicians, all the establishment, get toppled in the ensuing chaos.

He wants the public to feel attacked by the media and to turn on them. He wants the public to feel attacked by eachother and turn on eachother. The entire manifesto is a roarschach test for "Your political enemies did this." with special focus on the groups the media and status quo hate already, in a bid to radicalize people against the status quo and turn them violent.


He's definitely an accelerationist, trying to get society to turn on itself.

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Postby Digital Planets » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:34 am

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It's good that this Liveleak site is down. I don't even know what Liveleak is.


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Postby United States of Devonta » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 am

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I don't like Antifa but punching people in the face and actually committing mass-killings is two different things.

That is true. Although the night in jail may help.


Assault and Battery should do that for you.

Not to mention Antifa isn't an actual organization. It's a social movement. Now there are groups like Black Bloc.

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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 am

Vassenor wrote:...Hang on. Why is everyone so desperate to watch this guy livestreaming mass murder?

Because it's cool, man! Come on, it's like the best video game evaaaaar!

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:35 am

Tareldar wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The only part of the manifesto worth noting is that he explicitly said he believes the status quo is fucked, entrenched, and cannot be changed except through violence.

He explicitly says he thinks it's a good idea to empower your violent ideological opponents because violent change is the only thing that will save us, and baiting eachother into escalating violence will mean the status quo changes even if your side loses.

He says chaos, division, and violence are his goal.

He THEN plays right into a list of media stereotypes in a bid to get everyone claiming he belongs to the other side and get the media to scream that vast swathes of the population are enabling violent terrorists, from environmentalists to white nationalists, socialists to trump supporters, PRC style communists to capitalists, gamers to drug users, and so on.

Everything in the manifesto that explains why he did what he did needs to be viewed in the context of his explicit goal and motivation that he elaborates on BEFORE he lists a bunch of things that """Influenced""" him, and when you notice that, you'll notice his list of influences are basically a list of people the media love to demonize and hate.

He is doing it to bait the media into attacking the public, and the public into attacking eachother, and to ratchet up tensions and violence so that the media, the politicians, all the establishment, get toppled in the ensuing chaos.

He wants the public to feel attacked by the media and to turn on them. He wants the public to feel attacked by eachother and turn on eachother. The entire manifesto is a roarschach test for "Your political enemies did this." with special focus on the groups the media and status quo hate already, in a bid to radicalize people against the status quo and turn them violent.


He's definitely an accelerationist, trying to get society to turn on itself.


Ya wanna know the really funny bit?

He succeeded, everybody is turning on eachother and blaming the other side as expected.

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Postby Tareldar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:36 am

Vassenor wrote:...Hang on. Why is everyone so desperate to watch this guy livestreaming mass murder?

Humans are a morbid and sick lot sometimes. Watching people die, self-mutilation, human sacrifice, etc.

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Postby Skylus » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:36 am

Tareldar wrote:
United States of Devonta wrote:From the NPR twitter page,

"A man who describes himself as a 28-year-old Australian has claimed responsibility, and said in a statement that he'd been planning the attack for two years."

Two years of planning went into this attack.

Here's some of his own explanation for his attack:

Did you carry out the attack for fame?
No, carrying out an attack for fame would be laughable.After all who can remember the name of the attackers in the September 11 attack in New
York?How about the attack on the pentagon? The attackers in the plane that crashed into the field on the same day?
I will be forgotten quickly.
Which I do not mind. After all I am a private and mostly introverted person. But the aftershock from my actions will ripple for years to come, driving political and social discourse, creating the atmosphere or fear and change that is required.

Why did you target those people?
They were an obvious,visible and large group of invaders, from a culture with higher fertility rates, higher social trust and strong, robust traditions that seek to occupy my peoples lands and ethnically replace my own people.

For how long did you plan this attack?
I begun planning an attack roughly two years in advance and an attack at the location in Christchurch three months in advance.

Why did you choose this time to attack?
The best time to attack was yesterday, the next best time is today. The attack was planned to allow enough time to train, form a plan, settle my affairs, write down my views, then enact the attack.

Why did you choose to use firearms?
I could have chosen any weapons or means.A TATP filled rental van. Household flour, a method of dispersion and an ignition source.A
ballpeen hammer and a wooden shield.Gas,fire,vehicular attacks,plane attacks, any means were available. I had the will and I had the resources.
I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the
politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state,
social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines.

Why did you choose New Zealand as a place to attack?
New Zealand was not the original choice for attack, I only arrived to New Zealand to live temporarily whilst I planned and trained, but I soon found
out that New Zealand was as target rich of an environment as anywhere else in the West.
Secondly an attack in New Zealand would bring to attention the truth of the assault on our civilization, that no where in the world was safe, the
invaders were in all of our lands, even in the remotest areas of the world and that there was no where left to go that was safe and free from mass
immigration.

Was there any reason you attacked that(those) mosque(s) in
particular?

Originally the mosque in Dunedin was the main target,particularly after watching the video on their facebook page named “Otago muslim
association”
https://www.facebook.com/Otago-Muslim-A ... 229358786/
The video war entitled “Very interesting video. Only for Muslims. Please do not redistribute” that proved their knowledge of their actions, and their guilt.
https://www.facebook.com/20677822935878 ... 238207116/
But after visiting the mosques in Christchurch and Linwood and seeing the desecration of the church that had been converted to a mosque in
Ashburton, my plans changed. The Christchurch and Linwood mosques had far more invaders, in a more
prominent and optically foreign building, with less students,more adults and a prior history of extremism.
Attacking these mosques also allowed for an extra planned attack on the mosque in Ashburton, whilst I am unsure as of this time of writing
whether I will reach that target, it was a bonus objective.

Do you consider it a terrorist attack?
By the definition, then yes. It is a terrorist attack. But I believe it is a partisan action against an occupying force.

Do you feel any remorse for the attack?
No, I only wish I could have killed more invaders, and more traitors as well.


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Postby Vassenor » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:37 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Tareldar wrote:
He's definitely an accelerationist, trying to get society to turn on itself.


Ya wanna know the really funny bit?

He succeeded, everybody is turning on eachother and blaming the other side as expected.


Really? Because I haven't seen a lot of that. I have seen a lot of people blaming him though.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ya wanna know the really funny bit?

He succeeded, everybody is turning on eachother and blaming the other side as expected.


Really? Because I haven't seen a lot of that. I have seen a lot of people blaming him though.


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Postby Page » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:40 am

Vassenor wrote:...Hang on. Why is everyone so desperate to watch this guy livestreaming mass murder?


Curiosity is hardwired into our brain from millions of years of evolution.

There are no doubt some vile people who are seeking to watch the video for their own gratification, but the vast majority who have seen or will see it just want to know. This is probably the most vivid footage of mass murder ever seen.

I am disgusted by those who would watch because they sympathize with the killer, but I wouldn't assume that someone does sympathize with the killer just because they watched it.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:40 am

Vassenor wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ya wanna know the really funny bit?

He succeeded, everybody is turning on eachother and blaming the other side as expected.


Really? Because I haven't seen a lot of that. I have seen a lot of people blaming him though.


Some are already going on about white supremacy, pewdiepie, trump supporters, men, video games, and so on.

Once the initial outrage against him dies down, only those voices with an agenda to push will still be talking, and they'll be framing it as an action by their political enemies.
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Postby Digital Planets » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:41 am

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I am disgusted by those who would watch because they sympathize with the killer, but I wouldn't assume that someone does sympathize with the killer just because they watched it.


Because why not? "Sal doesn't watch Liveleak, making him tonight's biggest loser"
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Postby Licana » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:41 am

Vassenor wrote:...Hang on. Why is everyone so desperate to watch this guy livestreaming mass murder?


Because it's more impactful to witness something personally than it is to have some talking head tell you about it on twitter.
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Postby Audioslavia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:42 am

Digital Planets wrote:
Skylus wrote::blink:
The mods are out in force today.

It's good that this Liveleak site is down. I don't even know what Liveleak is.


Here, let me show you a wonderful world.


PG-13 forum in doesn't allow links to footage of violent massacres shock. No thank you.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:42 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
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Really? Because I haven't seen a lot of that. I have seen a lot of people blaming him though.


Some are already going on about white supremacy, pewdiepie, trump supporters, men, video games, and so on.

Once the initial outrage against him dies down, only those voices with an agenda to push will still be talking, and they'll be framing it as an action by their political enemies.


Meanwhile, the other side is going on about false flag ops, Judaism, Islam, the Deep State...

Fuck me it’s all my favorite memes!

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Ostroeuropa wrote:Some are already going on about white supremacy, pewdiepie, trump supporters, men, video games, and so on.


One of these things is directly tied to the shooting, the rest of them not.
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Postby Skylus » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:43 am

Audioslavia wrote:
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Here, let me show you a wonderful world.


PG-13 forum in doesn't allow links to footage of violent massacres shock. No thank you.


........Holy shit good thing I never clicked that link then....
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:43 am

your reminder that the alt right is shit

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Postby Digital Planets » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:43 am

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Digital Planets wrote:
Here, let me show you a wonderful world.


PG-13 forum in doesn't allow links to footage of violent massacres shock. No thank you.


And the best part is it wasn't even to a violent massacre. Oh well.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Some are already going on about white supremacy, pewdiepie, trump supporters, men, video games, and so on.

Once the initial outrage against him dies down, only those voices with an agenda to push will still be talking, and they'll be framing it as an action by their political enemies.


Meanwhile, the other side is going on about false flag ops, Judaism, Islam, the Deep State...

Fuck me it’s all my favorite memes!


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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:44 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:your reminder that the alt right is shit

Hush. Not the topic.

And for everybody else, can we keep it to the actual incident and not the social media fallout? Just for a while?
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Postby Audioslavia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:45 am

Digital Planets wrote:
Audioslavia wrote:
PG-13 forum in doesn't allow links to footage of violent massacres shock. No thank you.


And the best part is it wasn't even to a violent massacre. Oh well.


I didn't even click the link. How about just don't post links to liveleak for a bit?

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Postby Amuaplye » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:45 am

Digital Planets wrote:
Audioslavia wrote:
PG-13 forum in doesn't allow links to footage of violent massacres shock. No thank you.


And the best part is it wasn't even to a violent massacre. Oh well.

What was it a link to?
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Postby Digital Planets » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:46 am

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And the best part is it wasn't even to a violent massacre. Oh well.


I didn't even click the link. How about just don't post links to liveleak for a bit?


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And the best part is it wasn't even to a violent massacre. Oh well.

What was it a link to?


Japanese guy in a bear costume jumpscaring people. Not the worst thing but it's a PG-13 forum.
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