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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:28 pm

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Jesus fuck.. its a problem that just as global institutions are under attack the problem of nationalism, online hatred crossing borders and just..I genuinely fear for the future because all these isolated incidents will feed off each other and potentially grow unless there's strong and united global action to deal with rising global issues.

Alas the political winds are going the other way.

"Nationalism" is not the problem. Psychotic fucks are the problem. For fuck's sake...

Kind of funny that nationalism's the problem when it's a white perpetrator, but Islam isn't when it's a Muslim terror attack.
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Postby Yusseria » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:28 pm

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Nantoraka wrote:The gunman also posted on 8chan before he opened fire; he was definitely planning this.



Jesus fuck.. its a problem that just as global institutions are under attack the problem of nationalism, online hatred crossing borders and just..I genuinely fear for the future because all these isolated incidents will feed off each other and potentially grow unless there's strong and united global action to deal with rising global issues.

Alas the political winds are going the other way.

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Postby Nantoraka » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 pm

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Tareldar wrote:I watched the shooter's GoPro livestream of it. There's about 20-30 people dead in there, and one lady he shot in the street.

One guy either tried to rush him or tried to run past him and collided, but the shooter killed him.

An utter tragedy. What a nightmare.


The guy tried to rush him on a reload. Nearly worked too but he was unarmed.

If that guy's massive balls weren't weighing him down, he might have succeeded.

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Scomagia wrote:"Nationalism" is not the problem. Psychotic fucks are the problem. For fuck's sake...

And the fact that this problem of right-wing terrorism has been growing worse and worse since Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway back in 2011.

Normally I'd laugh at that, but at this point, I doubt I can deny that any much more. I'm amazed, amazed, that 8chan and the Alt-Right groups had the organization and the lack of heart to do something like this.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 pm

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Postby The Black Party » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 pm

Shooter was a White Supremacist? jeez, back at it again with the violent massacres.
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Postby Tareldar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:30 pm

Nantoraka wrote:Normally I'd laugh at that, but at this point, I doubt I can deny that any much more. I'm amazed, amazed, that 8chan and the Alt-Right groups had the organization and the lack of heart to do something like this.

I thought he acted alone. His manifesto says so. If he was part of a group, wouldn't he brag?

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Postby Amuaplye » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:30 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Scomagia wrote:"Nationalism" is not the problem. Psychotic fucks are the problem. For fuck's sake...

Kind of funny that nationalism's the problem when it's a white perpetrator, but Islam isn't when it's a Muslim terror attack.

They're both caused by radical beliefs.
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Postby Loben » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:30 pm

The Black Party wrote:Shooter was a White Supremacist? jeez, back at it again with the violent massacres.


they havent moved on to strapping IEDs to their backs yet, sorry.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:30 pm

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Allot of anti-Muslim sentiment in Australia tbh.

I'm just thinking of when Laura Southern went there tho.


yes, laura southern inspired this incident..yes.


Nope. Didn't say that.

But lord, I've seen the Gopro. All be it, I had to skip though allot of it. Hard to watch.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

I never imagined something like this would happen in New Zealand of all countries and to attack a house of worship. It brings feelings back of how i felt when the synagogue in Pittsburgh was attacked.

Is no place safe from such acts of pure hate? Violence of any kind is never justified. Has it been confirmed there are fatalities?
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

Scomagia wrote:
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Jesus fuck.. its a problem that just as global institutions are under attack the problem of nationalism, online hatred crossing borders and just..I genuinely fear for the future because all these isolated incidents will feed off each other and potentially grow unless there's strong and united global action to deal with rising global issues.

Alas the political winds are going the other way.

"Nationalism" is not the problem. Psychotic fucks are the problem. For fuck's sake...


Psychotic fucks with clear spaces to grow and develop their hatred due to all the bullshit conspiracy theories and movements, and nationalism is part of the problem because these things are all tied to building walls and Brexit and growth of nationalist leaders cropping up everywhere speaking to a world of exclusion rather than inclusion.

And that means the global institutions required to deal with this are handicapped - how are Christchurch police supposed to be aware of threads on 4Chan for example..

There will only be more of these types of incidents across the world. Sad it's hit NZ..
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Postby Tareldar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:If anyone died, inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'aoon. Wala'natullah upon the criminal if he hasn't repented. Aameen.

Based on the video I'd be surprised if fewer than 20 died. He went back in after shooting up the place and shot up the bodies huddled in the corners. It's bloody insane.

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Postby Nantoraka » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:31 pm

Tareldar wrote:
Nantoraka wrote:Normally I'd laugh at that, but at this point, I doubt I can deny that any much more. I'm amazed, amazed, that 8chan and the Alt-Right groups had the organization and the lack of heart to do something like this.

I thought he acted alone. His manifesto says so. If he was part of a group, wouldn't he brag?

Yeah, you're right - but if he was part of a group, then this group would have kept things under wraps the best they could. That's how all of these terrorist groups work when they first appear.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Scomagia wrote:"Nationalism" is not the problem. Psychotic fucks are the problem. For fuck's sake...

Kind of funny that nationalism's the problem when it's a white perpetrator, but Islam isn't when it's a Muslim terror attack.


Being white isn't the problem, nationalism is.. being Muslim isn't the problem, being radical is.
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Postby Tareldar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:I never imagined something like this would happen in New Zealand of all countries and to attack a house of worship.

Is no place safe from such acts of pure hate? Violence of any kind is never justified. Has it been confirmed there are fatalities?

In his manifesto he says he picked New Zealand because it was detached from the usual violence and terrorism.

He also says he hopes to spark a civil conflict in the United States by inspiring people to overturn the 2nd Amendment and seize rifles.

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Postby The Black Party » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 pm

Amuaplye wrote:
Scomagia wrote:"Nationalism" is not the problem. Psychotic fucks are the problem. For fuck's sake...

And the fact that this problem of right-wing terrorism has been growing worse and worse since Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway back in 2011.

Terrorism in general is a problem. It's not only a problem if a Right-Winger is a perpetrator.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 pm

Tareldar wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:If anyone died, inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'aoon. Wala'natullah upon the criminal if he hasn't repented. Aameen.

Based on the video I'd be surprised if fewer than 20 died. He went back in after shooting up the place and shot up the bodies huddled in the corners. It's bloody insane.

Is it confirmed there where fatalities because i have heard that has not corroborated

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Postby Nantoraka » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:If anyone died, inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raaji'aoon. Wala'natullah upon the criminal if he hasn't repented. Aameen.

Can't say I represent the Catholics, but my thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families here.

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Postby Tareldar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

The Black Party wrote:Shooter was a White Supremacist? jeez, back at it again with the violent massacres.

In his manifesto he describes himself as an eco-fascist ethno-nationalist.

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Postby United States of Devonta » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Nantoraka wrote:
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The guy tried to rush him on a reload. Nearly worked too but he was unarmed.

If that guy's massive balls weren't weighing him down, he might have succeeded.

Amuaplye wrote:And the fact that this problem of right-wing terrorism has been growing worse and worse since Anders Breivik killed 77 people in Norway back in 2011.

Normally I'd laugh at that, but at this point, I doubt I can deny that any much more. I'm amazed, amazed, that 8chan and the Alt-Right groups had the organization and the lack of heart to do something like this.


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Postby Kubra » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

I mean it's fair to blame nationalism so far as one is talking white nationalism
As for the islam jabs, nobody is saying islamic extremism isn't an islam thing, though it's extremely reductive. You don't go punting the Pennsylvania dutchmen because a catholic priest groped a boy.
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Postby Loben » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Tareldar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I never imagined something like this would happen in New Zealand of all countries and to attack a house of worship.

Is no place safe from such acts of pure hate? Violence of any kind is never justified. Has it been confirmed there are fatalities?

In his manifesto he says he picked New Zealand because it was detached from the usual violence and terrorism.

He also says he hopes to spark a civil conflict in the United States by inspiring people to overturn the 2nd Amendment and seize rifles.


thats odd.

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Postby Luziyca » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:I never imagined something like this would happen in New Zealand of all countries and to attack a house of worship. It brings feelings back of how i felt when the synagogue in Pittsburgh was attacked.

Is no place safe from such acts of pure hate? Violence of any kind is never justified. Has it been confirmed there are fatalities?

Pretty sure Tristan da Cunha or Pitcairn are pretty safe from these acts of hate.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Tareldar wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I never imagined something like this would happen in New Zealand of all countries and to attack a house of worship.

Is no place safe from such acts of pure hate? Violence of any kind is never justified. Has it been confirmed there are fatalities?

In his manifesto he says he picked New Zealand because it was detached from the usual violence and terrorism.

He also says he hopes to spark a civil conflict in the United States by inspiring people to overturn the 2nd Amendment and seize rifles.


was this person a New Zealand citizen? I hope and pray there are not copycat attacks.

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Postby Tareldar » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:33 pm

Nantoraka wrote:
Tareldar wrote:I thought he acted alone. His manifesto says so. If he was part of a group, wouldn't he brag?

Yeah, you're right - but if he was part of a group, then this group would have kept things under wraps the best they could. That's how all of these terrorist groups work when they first appear.

I suppose we'll find out in the days to come.

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