50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Fartsniffage]

Triggered. I misgendred didn't I?

I don't really care, tbh. But I AM a dude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOf3kYtwASo

[Fedel]

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

"It's just a fact", claims the person who's presented no substantial evidence.

I can't profess to know your own personal beliefs, but from our own conversations you called for:

"undermining their ability to recruit and organize both online and offline. Take away their platforms and their echo chambers, refuse their leaders any opportunity to spread their ideas. Isolate their recruits and approach them individually"

in regards to white nationalists. I.E. shutting down public websites, censoring people and tracking down and finding people who browsed said sites.

I don't know what you believe we should do about proponents of radical islam, but if you haven't suggested similar measures be taken against its members, that does suggest a double standard.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

[Fedel]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

If a member of NationStates committed an act like this would you be for shutting down the site? Personally, I wouldn't.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

If a member of NationStates committed an act like this would you be for shutting down the site? Personally, I wouldn't.

I'm not saying 4Chan should be shut down, I'm saying 4Chan should delete /pol/. No one on 4Chan likes them either and they keep disrupting the other communities on the site.

[Fedel]

If a member of NationStates committed an act like this would you be for shutting down the site? Personally, I wouldn't.

I'm not saying 4Chan should be shut down, I'm saying 4Chan should delete /pol/. No one on 4Chan likes them either and they keep disrupting the other communities on the site.

*Shrug* I've already stated my thoughts on the subject. I feel you only drive them underground or displace them briefly before they regather, likely stronger then before because you've now given credence to their beliefs.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The whole "we mustn't talk about the terrorist's ideology because he wanted to cause political divisions" argument being made is such bullshit. Yeah, the guy wanted to increase left/right tensions and spark a race war. Doesn't change the fact that he was a white supremacist who was quite blatantly radicalized by the daily avalanche of paranoid, mush-brained garbage coming from the extremely online far right and a lot of corporate-backed grifters who take advantage of it. He was the end product of years of fake-ironic memes purposefully exploited by far right ideologues to recruit vulnerable, mediocre young men, of Lauren Southern's "muh great replacement" shtick and of Ben Shapiro's "most muslims are dangerous extremists" nonsense.

Not talking about the ideology behind this, not doing anything to address it and tackle it, is not a solution. Appeasement, apathy, has never solved this sort of crisis.

Was he radicalized by the internet right and then the internet alt-right? Maybe. Is calling out the alt-right a good response to the tragedy? Maybe. But if you go after someone like Pewdiepie or Candace Owens because he mentioned them is playing right into his hands. Criticize Pewdiepie or Candace Owens all you want, but they did not cause this, they do not condone this, and the only reason he brought them up was to convince you otherwise. The guy said that Spyro 3 and Fortnite made him become a killer ffs. Also, reminder that most Nazi jokes are made by non-Nazis.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

Nah. Facebook should be shut down if anything.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

Nah. Facebook should be shut down if anything.

No, /pol/ is a total cesspit, they were celebrating there for a long time and watching the stream cheering the guy on.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Nah. Facebook should be shut down if anything.

No, /pol/ is a total cesspit, they were celebrating there for a long time and watching the stream cheering the guy on.

All of them?

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, /pol/ is a total cesspit, they were celebrating there for a long time and watching the stream cheering the guy on.

All of them?

There were dozens of threads cheering the guy on. /pol/ is a literal neo-nazi board, that is why it was created.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

^ this

/pol/ killed 50 people with the shit they bread

the alt right killed people.

shut down /pol/

[Yusseria]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

^ this

/pol/ killed 50 people with the shit they bread

the alt right killed people.

shut down /pol/

But he was on 8chan though, not 4chan.

[CrvenaParsa]

Tbh, /pol/ should be deleted. If those autists can't stay in their fucking containment board, they shouldn't get their own board.

^ this

/pol/ killed 50 people with the shit they bread

the alt right killed people.

shut down /pol/

I'm pretty sure Neo-Liberals have caused more deaths than the Alt Right, but we don't hear calls to outlaw their publications.

[Yusseria]

It's not really a smear. It's just a fact. You react more strongly when it's a white nationalist as opposed to a Islamist.

"It's just a fact", claims the person who's presented no substantial evidence.

Forgive me, but I don't keep bookmarks of other player's posts. But it's fairly obvious you're weak when it comes to Islamic terrorism. You're more than willing to blame the right and right-wing ideology in this instance, but you don't do the same with Islamist ideology.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

^ this

/pol/ killed 50 people with the shit they bread

the alt right killed people.

shut down /pol/

But he was on 8chan though, not 4chan.

8chan has a /pol/ as well .

shut it down.

This is a incident that shall not be forgiven.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Little snag with this post: the muslims who were killed were doing fine in the country. One of them was even part of a national sportsteam. They were well integrated, spoke the local language, had jobs, paid their taxes and were good neighbours.

There were no problems. In fact, there are very few problems with muslims in New Zealand. Some religious nutters who oppose homosexual relationships - but relatively fewer than the christians with the same opinion. That's it.

So take your victimblaming and shove it somewhere the sun does not shine.

And then people messaged me that the mosque in question has produced at least two terrorists and locally is known for being extremist...
Now I do not know what to believe

I doubt that. Most masaajid don't produce terrorists.

moderate

Please stop sayijg that. It's icky.

Debunking some claims about the moderate nature of the mosque;

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-03/ ... ke/5497908

Islamic Terrorist recruit was tapped by a Christchurch Muslim, they met in Christchurch.).

https://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/christ ... 2014060417

Al-Qaeda links to Christchurch.

https://e2nz.org/2015/01/03/new-zealand ... shionista/

ISIS recruitment center in Christchurch.

None of those links say Christchurch Masjid is responsible for their radicalization.

A mosque attendee was quoted as saying that "a visiting speaker from Indonesia talked about violent jihad and plenty shared his views", although mosque leaders denied radical teaching took place.

What did the brother say about violent jihad? I'm pretty literally every masjid in the world talks about violent jihad in some level of frencuency, and that's a-ok.

I think what he is saying is that you are wrong. And your grasping at straws. And claiming that two what seems to be short term attendees of the mosque who radicalized is the fault of the mosque. Thats a big jump

The mosque hosted radical speakers on occasion. The shooter himself linked two videos related to the mosque in question of these speeches in his manifesto.

Lol speaking about violent jihad doesn't make someone radical.

"It's just a fact", claims the person who's presented no substantial evidence.

Forgive me, but I don't keep bookmarks of other player's posts. But it's fairly obvious you're weak when it comes to Islamic terrorism. You're more than willing to blame the right and right-wing ideology in this instance, but you don't do the same with Islamist ideology.

1: That's not proving anything
2: That's probs because Islamist ideology isn't 1 monolith. Yes, the ends are the same (kinda), but the means are different.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

^ this

/pol/ killed 50 people with the shit they bread

the alt right killed people.

shut down /pol/

I'm pretty sure Neo-Liberals have caused more deaths than the Alt Right, but we don't hear calls to outlaw their publications.

"WhAt AbOuT NeO-LiBeRAl TeRrOrisT AtTaCkS?!?1/" is a logical fallacy and a bad way of trying to bate the conversation away from this heinous crime.

[CrvenaParsa]

I'm pretty sure Neo-Liberals have caused more deaths than the Alt Right, but we don't hear calls to outlaw their publications.

"WhAt AbOuT NeO-LiBeRAl TeRrOrisT AtTaCkS?!?1/" is a logical fallacy and a bad way of trying to bate the conversation away from this heinous crime.

"OY VEY LOGICAL FALLACY"

Let's be honest. Neo Liberalism is the bigger problem

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

"WhAt AbOuT NeO-LiBeRAl TeRrOrisT AtTaCkS?!?1/" is a logical fallacy and a bad way of trying to bate the conversation away from this heinous crime.

"OY VEY LOGICAL FALLACY"

Let's be honest. It is the bigger problem

Not my problem if you can't make a logical argument.

[CrvenaParsa]

"OY VEY LOGICAL FALLACY"

Let's be honest. It is the bigger problem

Not my problem if you can't make a logical argument.

I was you just had the ignorance to mock me

[Yusseria]

But he was on 8chan though, not 4chan.

8chan has a /pol/ as well .

shut it down.

This is a incident that shall not be forgiven.

And what about Facebook? Facebook has been used by terror groups for recruiting. Terror attacks have been livestreamed there before. Why not shut it down too?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

"WhAt AbOuT NeO-LiBeRAl TeRrOrisT AtTaCkS?!?1/" is a logical fallacy and a bad way of trying to bate the conversation away from this heinous crime.

"OY VEY LOGICAL FALLACY"

Let's be honest. Neo Liberalism is the bigger problem

That really is a logical fallacy. If persons A and B are debating something and one of them says "well what about x?", that's known as whataboutism.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Not my problem if you can't make a logical argument.

I was you just had the ignorance to mock me

You were not. You made an illogical argument that centered around trying to bait the conversation away from the topic.

I called you out on it.

[Fedel]

8chan has a /pol/ as well .

shut it down.

This is a incident that shall not be forgiven.

And what about Facebook? Facebook has been used by terror groups for recruiting. Terror attacks have been livestreamed there before. Why not shut it down too?

Because they know problematic sites when they see them of course.

They can't give a strict definition of what constitutes a problematic site. But they sure can give you a big list of them. And one that's constantly changing to boot.