50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[The Alma Mater]

I mean, if the authorities there haven't already been keeping an eye on 4chan then they're just dimwitted. I still remember when a dude killed his girlfriend and then posted it on 4chan.

Who would win?

The world’s combined intelligence departments?

Or...

Some shitty alt-right website?

The alt-right, obviously. They only need to get lucky once and do not need to use a massive budget.
If they get the worlds intelligence agencies to spend millions of dollars on them they win.

[Amuaplye]

Who would win?

The world’s combined intelligence departments?

Or...

Some shitty alt-right website?

The alt-right, obviously. They only need to get lucky once and do not need to use a massive budget.
If they get the worlds intelligence agencies to spend millions of dollars on them they win.

On the other hand... we need a way to prevent attacks like this from happening.

[Amuaplye]

On the other hand... we need a way to prevent attacks like this from happening.

I plan for my nonprofit to handle it directly, going on the ground, talking to them.

But, what must be done to deradicalize these people in the meantime? Your nonprofit won't become popular overnight, after all.

[Saiwania]

But, what must be done to deradicalize these people in the meantime? Your nonprofit won't become popular overnight, after all.

If someone could find a way to make it so certain kinds of immigration isn't negatively impacting locals, that'd do much to cool the tempers of right wingers. Non-White immigration is directly correlated with a less White country over the long term and replacement of the national population or longstanding local populations- that is what is at issue in many places. Liberals as a general rule, flat out don't want to enforce borders whatsoever.

[Neu Leonstein]

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I see your parents never taught you to keep your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

Here is someone making an effort to remember the victims: https://twitter.com/KhaledBeydoun/statu ... 6864637952

They are students, doctors, software engineers, people who threw themselves in the way of bullets to save children and people in wheelchairs. Valued members of their community, each of them worth remembering. And definitely not deserving of the sort of verbal diarrhea Saiwania produces.

[Fedel]

"Far-right."

Uhhhh... I don't think you know what that term means. NS is not the standard for political beliefs ( outside of California maybe ).

Looking globally, everything right of the left wing of the US democratic party is "extreme right".

Problem with comparing the US's left and right to rest of the world's left and right is that the US's is based more on social policies whereas other countries are based more on economics.

[Shrillland]

Problem with comparing the US's left and right to rest of the world's left and right is that the US's is based more on social policies whereas other countries are based more on economics.

USA's Geography gift is also a curse it seems...

Geoeconomics, since we were safe, allowed us to freak out about social issues.

That's how I see it as well, continental isolation left us far more resistant to social changes than much of the rest of the world.

[Costa Fierro]

This is an image from the Basin Reserve in Wellington. An estimated 11,000 people have attended the vigil there this evening.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Looking globally, everything right of the left wing of the US democratic party is "extreme right".

Problem with comparing the US's left and right to rest of the world's left and right is that the US's is based more on social policies whereas other countries are based more on economics.

This is a central misunderstanding of the US political divide. You are conflating progressive and the left, while those are two different groups. The left is economic, but many leftists are also progressive. The two are not the same though, even though Fox News likes to conflate the two to score easy points.

For example: "Progressives want a free and just Republic? Why then do they want a Marxist dictatorship?!?"

[The Alma Mater]

The alt-right, obviously. They only need to get lucky once and do not need to use a massive budget.
If they get the worlds intelligence agencies to spend millions of dollars on them they win.

On the other hand... we need a way to prevent attacks like this from happening.

Do we really though ? Do we really need to give up freedoms, privacy and billions and billions of dollars just to prevent a few thousand tops deaths per year ?
Or could we just learn to live with it ?

If the answer to the first question is yes we indeed have a challenge ahead.

[Neu Leonstein]

It also allowed us to focus on it a lot more, while social changes elsewhere were necessary due to economic strategy ad situation being dependent on social situation, while the USA could wait and bicker amongst itself for decades.

Plus, the structure of government isn't well-suited to changing with changing social expectations. It gives enormous power to people who want to preserve the status quo, versus people who want to change it. Combine that with the failure to destroy the Confederacy (whether by lack of resolve or lack of ability), which basically left intact a culture of treason across a number of states against the enlightenment ideas that the nation is supposedly founded upon.

[Costa Fierro]

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This is an image from the Basin Reserve in Wellington. An estimated 11,000 people have attended the vigil there this evening.

DC?

DC?

[Samudera Darussalam]

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This is an image from the Basin Reserve in Wellington. An estimated 11,000 people have attended the vigil there this evening.

DC?

Uh, it's Wellington, not Washington.

[Neu Leonstein]

I agree to an extent, but am cautious of the word treason.

I both agree with calling it treason, and do not agree with it, do I make sense?

No, I get it. It's not legally treason, obviously. It's more like allowing the continuous existence of a fifth column of saboteurs opposed to the nation building project that is the United States.

[Saiwania]

Someone with a similar if not identical, ideology and worldview to mine- did wrong in New Zealand. But this event doesn't make it any less valid in my view. Large-scale immigration of any form, comes with considerable social and political costs that should or must be accounted for. If the migration issue isn't ever addressed, it will continue to roil the body politic.

[The Alma Mater]

Someone with a similar if not identical, ideology and worldview to mine- did wrong in New Zealand. But this event doesn't make it any less valid in my view. Large-scale immigration of any form, comes with considerable social and political costs that should or must be accounted for. If the migration issue isn't ever addressed, it will continue to roil the body politic.

As said: while immigration and the integration of muslims certainly is a problem in many nations, it was not a problem here.

Tell me, what message does it send to muslims if people like you start killing the ones who actually made an effort to contribute to western society ?

[Ausinia]

Wait, so the guy is at large?

[Kowani]

Someone with a similar if not identical, ideology and worldview to mine- did wrong in New Zealand. But this event doesn't make it any less valid in my view. Large-scale immigration of any form, comes with considerable social and political costs that should or must be accounted for. If the migration issue isn't ever addressed, it will continue to roil the body politic.

As said: while immigration and the integration of muslims certainly is a problem in many nations, it was not a problem here.

Tell me, what message does it send to muslims if people like you start killing the ones who actually made an effort to contribute to western society ?

We look like massive asshats. Well. More than normal

[Khataiy]

May Allah accept the 50 martyrs, I ask God to be merciful to those who have been martyred and to heal those who have been wounded and to bring down His wrath and curse on every criminal who sheds the blood of innocent people.

[Kowani]

Wait, so the guy is at large?

Thankfully, no.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The alt-right, obviously. They only need to get lucky once and do not need to use a massive budget.
If they get the worlds intelligence agencies to spend millions of dollars on them they win.

On the other hand... we need a way to prevent attacks like this from happening.

You can't stop lone wolf attacks.

[Ausinia]

Wait, so the guy is at large?

Thankfully, no.

Thanks, I didn’t know. It’s crazy that this happened. How bad is this compared to other shootings in NZ and AUS?

[Amuaplye]

On the other hand... we need a way to prevent attacks like this from happening.

You can't stop lone wolf attacks.

You can, however, prevent them before the plans are set in stone. Deradicalization does work.

[The Alma Mater]

Thankfully, no.

Thanks, I didn’t know. It’s crazy that this happened. How bad is this compared to other shootings in NZ and AUS?

In NZ it was the worst in 200 years.

[Fedel]

Problem with comparing the US's left and right to rest of the world's left and right is that the US's is based more on social policies whereas other countries are based more on economics.

This is a central misunderstanding of the US political divide. You are conflating progressive and the left, while those are two different groups. The left is economic, but many leftists are also progressive. The two are not the same though, even though Fox News likes to conflate the two to score easy points.

For example: "Progressives want a free and just Republic? Why then do they want a Marxist dictatorship?!?"

I'm referring to the colloquial left as it's known in the USA.