50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Oranjea]

Yes, when you assault someone people usually get physical back. That's how these things work. The Senator is a horse's ass but that was just a petulant and foolish thing to do.

So you condone the senators views?

How could you possibly get from "assaulting someone will lead to physical retaliation" to "agreeing with a person's views"?

[Druulis]

So you condone the senators views?

How could you possibly get from "assaulting someone will lead to physical retaliation" to "agreeing with a person's views"?

Scom appears to be right wing so I take it that he agrees that the Muslims brought the attack on themselves.

[Oranjea]

How could you possibly get from "assaulting someone will lead to physical retaliation" to "agreeing with a person's views"?

Scom appears to be right wing so I take it that he agrees that the Muslims brought the attack on themselves.

Very hot take, indeed. You appear to be left-wing, why do you condone Stalin's gulags?

[Fedel]

How could you possibly get from "assaulting someone will lead to physical retaliation" to "agreeing with a person's views"?

Scom appears to be right wing so I take it that he agrees that the Muslims brought the attack on themselves.

You appear to be an idiot so I could see how you came to that conclusion.

[Kaystein]

You mistake my impression.

I see this as a rallying cry and inspiration for a lot more shootings, and Breitbart has flocked to it, which makes it dangerous.

I don't consider it Sarejevo.

I consider it Bosnia.

Using Austria-Hungary as an example.

It's a ticking time bomb. It won't directly cause it, but inspire and cause people to do it more, causing more of what he wanted.

Alright, but don't ignore what's in my last post to you because of that mistake. If you're concerned about this being a ticking time bomb, then fight against the groups of racists online that want it to happen.

Are you implying that New Zealanders are more docile?

Refer to my last reply toward Sovaal

I'm not implying New Zealanders are docile. They're doing plenty already to prove they're the opposite in fact. If they were docile, their responses toward the Christchurch tragedy would be much less than what it is.

If this happened in the US it would have been televised for a few days by news channels looking to profit off of other's misery (like they're doing anyway), there would be vigils for the victims and people posting to their social media "thoughts and prayers." Then life would go on as if it never happened.

Like what happened after Sandy Hook or Orlando, which pisses me off about my country. Some heated debates that go nowhere.

That's not the case for New Zealand. Again, there will very likely be new legislation on gun control there. Again, I suspect that it will be welcomed.

Which is a very good thing. Good on you New Zealand for not shoving your heads into the sand after what happened. Good on Australia for banning Milo Yiannopoulos from their country too. With any luck, the far-right white supremacist movements there will stay as nothing more than lunatic fringe groups for decades to come, as they should be.

[San Lumen]

You mistake my impression.

I see this as a rallying cry and inspiration for a lot more shootings, and Breitbart has flocked to it, which makes it dangerous.

I don't consider it Sarejevo.

I consider it Bosnia.

Using Austria-Hungary as an example.

It's a ticking time bomb. It won't directly cause it, but inspire and cause people to do it more, causing more of what he wanted.

Alright, but don't ignore what's in my last post to you because of that mistake. If you're concerned about this being a ticking time bomb, then fight against the groups of racists online that want it to happen.

Are you implying that New Zealanders are more docile?

Refer to my last reply toward Fedel.

I'm not implying New Zealanders are docile. They're doing plenty already to prove they're the opposite in fact. If they were docile, their responses toward the Christchurch tragedy would be much less than what it is.

If this happened in the US it would have been televised for a few days by news channels looking to profit off of other's misery (like they're doing anyway), there would be vigils for the victims and people posting to their social media "thoughts and prayers." Then life would go on as if it never happened.

Like what happened after Sandy Hook or Orlando, which pisses me off about my country. Some heated debates that go nowhere.

That's not the case for New Zealand. Again, there will very likely be new legislation on gun control there. Again, I suspect that it will be welcomed.

Which is a very good thing. Good on you New Zealand for not shoving your heads into the sand after what happened. Good on Australia for banning Milo Yiannopoulos from their country too. With any luck, the far-right white supremacist movements there will stay as nothing more than lunatic fringe groups for decades to come, as they should be.

New Zealand doesnt have the NRA who oppose and and all gun legislation. Thats why they will change their law.

[Fedel]

Refer to my last reply toward Fedel.

You haven't responded to my post as far as I'm aware. Mind telling me the post number or the page where you responded?

[Kaystein]

You haven't responded to my post as far as I'm aware. Mind telling me the post number or the page where you responded?

I meant Sovaal. I'll reply to you in a little while, Fedel. You made some good questions that deserve answers.

I was around when the meme was started, it was started by autistic people to make light of how normal people don't get them.

I haven't seen anything that could reinforce this. I'd like to believe you though, so could you post a link to anything that would support your post?

[Fedel]

You haven't responded to my post as far as I'm aware. Mind telling me the post number or the page where you responded?

I meant Sovaal. I'll reply to you in a little while, Fedel. You made some good questions that deserve answers.

I was around when the meme was started, it was started by autistic people to make light of how normal people don't get them.

I haven't seen anything that could reinforce this. I'd like to believe you though, so could you post a link to anything that would support your post?

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Natanya]

You mistake my impression.

I see this as a rallying cry and inspiration for a lot more shootings, and Breitbart has flocked to it, which makes it dangerous.

I don't consider it Sarejevo.

I consider it Bosnia.

Using Austria-Hungary as an example.

It's a ticking time bomb. It won't directly cause it, but inspire and cause people to do it more, causing more of what he wanted.

Alright, but don't ignore what's in my last post to you because of that mistake. If you're concerned about this being a ticking time bomb, then fight against the groups of racists online that want it to happen.

Are you implying that New Zealanders are more docile?

Refer to my last reply toward Sovaal

I'm not implying New Zealanders are docile. They're doing plenty already to prove they're the opposite in fact. If they were docile, their responses toward the Christchurch tragedy would be much less than what it is.

If this happened in the US it would have been televised for a few days by news channels looking to profit off of other's misery (like they're doing anyway), there would be vigils for the victims and people posting to their social media "thoughts and prayers." Then life would go on as if it never happened.

Like what happened after Sandy Hook or Orlando, which pisses me off about my country. Some heated debates that go nowhere.

That's not the case for New Zealand. Again, there will very likely be new legislation on gun control there. Again, I suspect that it will be welcomed.

Which is a very good thing. Good on you New Zealand for not shoving your heads into the sand after what happened. Good on Australia for banning Milo Yiannopoulos from their country too. With any luck, the far-right white supremacist movements there will stay as nothing more than lunatic fringe groups for decades to come, as they should be.

I'm pretty sure stricter guns laws is one of the very things that he wanted it happen after this.

[United Muscovite Nations]

You haven't responded to my post as far as I'm aware. Mind telling me the post number or the page where you responded?

I meant Sovaal. I'll reply to you in a little while, Fedel. You made some good questions that deserve answers.

I was around when the meme was started, it was started by autistic people to make light of how normal people don't get them.

I haven't seen anything that could reinforce this. I'd like to believe you though, so could you post a link to anything that would support your post?

All of the threads from back then have 404'd, unfortunately, but the original meme started on the 4Chan board /r9k/ (which is basically for people with autism to share stories and grief, though unfortunately now it is an incel board, but at the time it wasn't), as "Fucking normies, get off my board, REEEEEEEEEEEE." Normies being a reference to "normal" people. Here's proof from the link you gave that the meme predates the existence of the alt right:

The earliest known archived use of the onomatopoeic version of the scream was submitted to 4chan's /r9k/[7] board on December 27th, 2014, featuring an image of Pepe the Frog accompanied by the message "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" (shown below).

And here is the meme used in its proper context, again, predating the alt right by nearly two years:

[Licana]

Like what happened after Sandy Hook or Orlando, which pisses me off about my country. Some heated debates that go nowhere.

That's not the case for New Zealand. Again, there will very likely be new legislation on gun control there. Again, I suspect that it will be welcomed.

Which is a very good thing. Good on you New Zealand for not shoving your heads into the sand after what happened.

Yeah man pissing away the civil rights of millions of people because a bad thing happened once is totally a noble and enlightened act.

Let's be real, New Zealand was peaceful long before this event, and it will go back to being so regardless of any sort of legal changes to how firearms ownership is handled. The net effect will be nil.

[Druulis]

Scom appears to be right wing so I take it that he agrees that the Muslims brought the attack on themselves.

Very hot take, indeed. You appear to be left-wing, why do you condone Stalin's gulags?

We have to put Trump somewhere.

[Uxupox]

Alright, but don't ignore what's in my last post to you because of that mistake. If you're concerned about this being a ticking time bomb, then fight against the groups of racists online that want it to happen.



Refer to my last reply toward Fedel.

I'm not implying New Zealanders are docile. They're doing plenty already to prove they're the opposite in fact. If they were docile, their responses toward the Christchurch tragedy would be much less than what it is.

If this happened in the US it would have been televised for a few days by news channels looking to profit off of other's misery (like they're doing anyway), there would be vigils for the victims and people posting to their social media "thoughts and prayers." Then life would go on as if it never happened.

Like what happened after Sandy Hook or Orlando, which pisses me off about my country. Some heated debates that go nowhere.

That's not the case for New Zealand. Again, there will very likely be new legislation on gun control there. Again, I suspect that it will be welcomed.

Which is a very good thing. Good on you New Zealand for not shoving your heads into the sand after what happened. Good on Australia for banning Milo Yiannopoulos from their country too. With any luck, the far-right white supremacist movements there will stay as nothing more than lunatic fringe groups for decades to come, as they should be.

New Zealand doesnt have the NRA who oppose and and all gun legislation. Thats why they will change their law.

NRA should be defunded and the GOA should be empored.

[Oranjea]

NRA should be defunded

By whom? Its membership is voluntary.

[Uxupox]

NRA should be defunded

By whom? Its membership is voluntary.

By a tyrannical government.

[Oranjea]

By whom? Its membership is voluntary.

By a tyrannical government.

I must have missed a joke.

[Scomagia]

Yes, when you assault someone people usually get physical back. That's how these things work. The Senator is a horse's ass but that was just a petulant and foolish thing to do.

So you condone the senators views?

Do you often see people calling those with whom they agree "a horse's ass"? No, no you don't, which is why I called him that. I don't condone the Senator, I was making a point that doing something like throwing eggs is a physical attack, if only mild, and will generally provoke a physical attack in response.

Also, I'm not right wing, so...

[Scomagia]

So you condone the senators views?

How could you possibly get from "assaulting someone will lead to physical retaliation" to "agreeing with a person's views"?

I'm as baffled as you are.

[Farnhamia]

So you’re talking out of your ass here?

I edited the quote for you since you didn't seem inclined to do it.

Do I talk out of my ass?

The answer to that question is no. I do not.

I based my text you're referring to on what I read about the Australian government's response to the 1996 Port Arthur Massacre.

Here, I have an article that could be enlightening for you: https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ol/541710/

I'll cite one part of the article now.

"My colleague Uri Friedman wrote about the impact of the Port Arthur massacre in the wake of the shooting in San Bernardino, California in 2015. He noted that, among other things, the Australian government “banned automatic and semiautomatic firearms, adopted new licensing requirements, established a national firearms registry, and instituted a 28-day waiting period for gun purchases. It also bought and destroyed more than 600,000 civilian-owned firearms, in a scheme that cost half a billion dollars and was funded by raising taxes.” The entire overhaul, Friedman pointed out, took just months to implement."

So in reference to this, what I meant was that if New Zealand's government employed a similar response in which it bought and destroyed firearms that would be banned by gun control legislation, it would be way more likely to be a success because of New Zealand's proximity to Australia and the culture the two countries share in comparison to the United States and how successful a similar response would be in the US realistically.

You have any sources that show the amount of turned in firearms compared to those same type of firearms that where likely owned before the ban?

[Sovaal]

Yes, when you assault someone people usually get physical back. That's how these things work. The Senator is a horse's ass but that was just a petulant and foolish thing to do.

So you condone the senators views?

I agree with the senators right to not have an egg cracked in his head.

[Kaystein]

How do you propose we glean out people who may have supported the shooting? Or are you suggesting something akin to "casting out a wide net" that would catch these people but also potentially catch up people who didn't? If so, is this something you'd be alright with?

From what information I have gathered, the "gameplay" community already has one or two big anti-fascist coalitions that do this already. The movement is organized, and most of the fascists and people that would support the shooting either congregate in their own regions already, live in the rejected realms. Even though I don't like the "gameplay" part of this website I will probably join the Antifa groups just to "bash the fash" since these groups seem like they're breeding/recruitment grounds for people that would support the shooting.

For an individual nation look at their posts, see if they're espousing fascist, racist, or hateful things. Gather evidence of their misconduct and send a telegram to an administrator of the region the fascist nation is living in. This approach has mixed results, but it's about the most effective thing I can do right now.

Also, do you believe that radical Muslims or other people of religions/ideologies who "support" the use of violence or murder on people who go against their beliefs should also be banned from the site?

I'm sorry, I can't give you a good enough answer for this and I really want to. This is a complicated question and one I've got to think about more before I can feel good about taking a stance on it.

All I can say is that I want to leave the world a better place than I left it, even if my efforts are minuscule against the bigger picture. I'm not ignorant of history, such as what my faith has supported doing in the past. I can only affect the present and the future with my actions though. I should focus on what could happen to us instead. Sorry, I can't think of any better answer right now, maybe later on.

I think you're playing with fire here when you start talking about censorship/discriminating against people for their beliefs tbh. I think people who support such measures are the people who created the NZ shooters in the first place.

That's a pretty heavy thing to say.

I read what you said before you edited your post. I know you accused me of being the same kind of person who creates the NZ shooter in the first place. That's kind of fucked up to even think. I'd be somebody who'd likely try to avoid such a person, or throw myself in harm's way to fight against them. I have people I care about, which the monsters that supported this shooting would love to harm. You have people you care about which these monsters would love to harm.

Let's work together, to try and push back against these demons that would harm us. If you want to crucify me afterward for hypocrisy or something, then fine. But only so long as the worse people go first.

[CrvenaParsa]

It's clear that mass diversity is a sham, maybe this will be a wake up call to western governments and their subversive backers

[Telconi]

Alright, but don't ignore what's in my last post to you because of that mistake. If you're concerned about this being a ticking time bomb, then fight against the groups of racists online that want it to happen.



Refer to my last reply toward Fedel.

I'm not implying New Zealanders are docile. They're doing plenty already to prove they're the opposite in fact. If they were docile, their responses toward the Christchurch tragedy would be much less than what it is.

If this happened in the US it would have been televised for a few days by news channels looking to profit off of other's misery (like they're doing anyway), there would be vigils for the victims and people posting to their social media "thoughts and prayers." Then life would go on as if it never happened.

Like what happened after Sandy Hook or Orlando, which pisses me off about my country. Some heated debates that go nowhere.

That's not the case for New Zealand. Again, there will very likely be new legislation on gun control there. Again, I suspect that it will be welcomed.

Which is a very good thing. Good on you New Zealand for not shoving your heads into the sand after what happened. Good on Australia for banning Milo Yiannopoulos from their country too. With any luck, the far-right white supremacist movements there will stay as nothing more than lunatic fringe groups for decades to come, as they should be.

New Zealand doesnt have the NRA who oppose and and all gun legislation. Thats why they will change their law.

We need an NZRA stat.

[Esternial]

It's clear that mass diversity is a sham, maybe this will be a wake up call to western governments and their subversive backers

Don't really get how you got to that conclusion, but by all means please don't elaborate.