50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Ostroeuropa]

Well okay? Can you be more specific? Right now it looks like you’re just throwing words around, not to mention ignoring the fact that acknowledging someone as a likely alienated racist isn’t necessarily wrong.

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

It honestly feels like people can't bare the notion of applying the social sciences to white males anymore because they've swallowed a bunch of thought terminating racist/sexist axioms.

[Scomagia]

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

It honestly feels like people can't bare the notion of applying the social sciences to white males anymore because they've swallowed a bunch of thought terminating racist/sexist axioms.

I don't really agree with that statement. Regardless, it's neither here nor there.

[United States of Devonta]

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

It honestly feels like people can't bare the notion of applying the social sciences to white males anymore because they've swallowed a bunch of thought terminating racist/sexist axioms.

Victimhood here we come.

[Ostroeuropa]

It honestly feels like people can't bare the notion of applying the social sciences to white males anymore because they've swallowed a bunch of thought terminating racist/sexist axioms.

Victimhood here we come.

I understand that progressive influence on society along with Marx and before him the "Geneology of morality" from Jesus and so on has you thinking this way, and so does media in general with its hero/villain dichotomy and so you get angry and huffy when people try to acknowledge shit is complicated, but...

Shit is complicated.

People can be both victims and perpetrators.

The fact you shut down and get huffy about someone trying to take your lazy and childish hero/villain dichotomy away from you and act as though that makes them the unreasonable one? It would be funny if it weren't at the root of so many problems in the world.

Attitudes like yours are why Israel/Palestine is so insoluble and has descended into a clusterfuck almost a century old. And you're all just doing that silly shit again.

Why don't you address the point rather than act as though it's by definition unreasonable because it doesn't align with your preconceived (And childish) dichotomous view of the world? By the way, for a response to someone noting "Thought terminating axioms", expressing your confusion because victimhood can only go one way and attempts to note complexity are obviously by definition trying to change this binary single data point from 1 to 0 and that's bad, so you don't have to engage with the rest of it?

Classic.

[Thermodolia]

Well okay? Can you be more specific? Right now it looks like you’re just throwing words around, not to mention ignoring the fact that acknowledging someone as a likely alienated racist isn’t necessarily wrong.

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

I’m pretty he had some mental health issues.

[Fartsniffage]

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

I’m pretty he had some mental health issues.

Lots of people have mental health issues. The vast majority don't murder 49 people.

[Lost Memories]

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

It honestly feels like people can't bare the notion of applying the social sciences to white males anymore because they've swallowed a bunch of thought terminating racist/sexist axioms.

It seems more like the dear old black and white mentality. It can be either all the fault on the killer, or all the fault on others.
The possibility of there being a bigger picture, and multiple reasons and factors, which played in how the event reached it's conclusion, doesn't compute for some.

Agree on the search of the background of the killer, while it isn't the duty of a forum to prevent mass shootings, and the authorities will surely do their part in researching(i hope), it's still an interesting take, and could be useful on a personal basis.

[Scomagia]

I’m pretty he had some mental health issues.

Lots of people have mental health issues. The vast majority don't murder 49 people.

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

[Torrocca]

Lots of people have mental health issues. The vast majority don't murder 49 people.

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

[Costa Fierro]

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

He said he used to be a communist, then an anarchist, then a libertarian, then became what he calls an "eco-fascist" and an "ethno-nationalist".

[Fartsniffage]

Lots of people have mental health issues. The vast majority don't murder 49 people.

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

Nah. Some people are just assholes.

[Saskovia]

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

He said he used to be a communist, then an anarchist, then a libertarian, then became what he calls an "eco-fascist" and an "ethno-nationalist".

ffs how

[Ostroeuropa]

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

Nobody is contesting that. And yet the fixes we've applied aren't working, and appear to have made things worse. Hmmm.

[Uxupox]

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

He said he used to be a communist, then an anarchist, then a libertarian, then became what he calls an "eco-fascist" and an "ethno-nationalist".

He has an odd history to say the least.

[Scomagia]

It honestly feels like people can't bare the notion of applying the social sciences to white males anymore because they've swallowed a bunch of thought terminating racist/sexist axioms.

It seems more like the dear old black and white mentality. It can be either all the fault on the killer, or all the fault on others.
The possibility of there being a bigger picture, and multiple reasons and factors, which played in how the event reached it's conclusion, doesn't compute for some.

Agree on the search of the background of the killer, while it isn't the duty of a forum to prevent mass shootings, and the authorities will surely do their part in researching(i hope), it's still an interesting take, and could be useful on a personal basis.

Right. People want a simple answer. There are, of course, a lot of reasons for that, too.

Yes. I hope the authorities, if they haven't already, truly dedicate themselves to delving into what drives someone to be this way. With any luck, maybe the most critical factors can be understood and then populations that are at risk of radicalization of all types can be prevented from being consumed by the same processes. But first, we have to understand who is at risk and that starts with understanding this man and others like him.

[Scomagia]

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

To what degree, no one knows. If you claim to then you're completely full of it.

[Senkaku]

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

He said he used to be a communist, then an anarchist, then a libertarian, then became what he calls an "eco-fascist" and an "ethno-nationalist".

So, someone trying on different radical political identities for size in the nether regions of the internet, basically

[Confederate States of German America]

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

And a good deal of those factors boil down to the extremist, reactionary politics of the far-right.

You do understand this dude was an Accelerationist?

[Scomagia]

Right. It's a factor amid a sea of factors.

Nah. Some people are just assholes.

A stunning analysis, to be sure.

[Costa Fierro]

ffs how

Same way I used to flirt with communism, then fascism/racism, then became what I am now. I used to have pretty standard racist views about people not speaking English and all that other crap. Can't pinpoint when that stopped happening.

Same probably applies to the terrorist. To me it seems that he hadn't found something that motivated him until he adopted the views he has now, and I can imagine the vile acts of terrorism committed in Europe would have created a visceral reaction to that. I don't blame him for having an angry reaction to that, everyone would be shocked and angry as they are now. I blame him for letting that consume him and turn him into a hate-filled piece of shit who came to this safe, peaceful, tolerant country, and did what he did.

Sometimes you can't fight fire with fire. Sometimes the best course of action is just to let the fire burn itself out.

[Neu Leonstein]

To what degree, no one knows. If you claim to then you're completely full of it.

It's not about the policies and ideologies. It's about the people. Right now there are hundreds of forums, discord channels and commentary pages in which people are openly applauding this loser and laughing at the trauma of the people he affected and the helplessness of the media response. The whole thing is just a cry for attention.

The moment people finally get that into their thick heads is the moment that we as a society can learn to stop rewarding acts like these. Facebook, YouTube and so on provide the communication tools, and internet-illiterate mainstream media does the rest. There's nothing about that that cannot be addressed. The incentives just need to be fixed.

[Uxupox]

To what degree, no one knows. If you claim to then you're completely full of it.

It's not about the policies and ideologies. It's about the people. Right now there are hundreds of forums, discord channels and commentary pages in which people are openly applauding this loser and laughing at the trauma of the people he affected and the helplessness of the media response. The whole thing is just a cry for attention.

The moment people finally get that into their thick heads is the moment that we as a society can learn to stop rewarding acts like these. Facebook, YouTube and so on provide the communication tools, and internet-illiterate mainstream media does the rest. There's nothing about that that cannot be addressed. The incentives just need to be fixed.

Tbh don’t see any idea fixing that unless we go full China.

[Scomagia]

To what degree, no one knows. If you claim to then you're completely full of it.

It's not about the policies and ideologies. It's about the people. Right now there are hundreds of forums, discord channels and commentary pages in which people are openly applauding this loser and laughing at the trauma of the people he affected and the helplessness of the media response. The whole thing is just a cry for attention.

The moment people finally get that into their thick heads is the moment that we as a society can learn to stop rewarding acts like these. Facebook, YouTube and so on provide the communication tools, and internet-illiterate mainstream media does the rest. There's nothing about that that cannot be addressed. The incentives just need to be fixed.

That's a big part of the problem. Still, the question of what made this specific individual behave like this remains. That's a question far beyond our resources to investigate.

[Ostroeuropa]

To what degree, no one knows. If you claim to then you're completely full of it.

It's not about the policies and ideologies. It's about the people. Right now there are hundreds of forums, discord channels and commentary pages in which people are openly applauding this loser and laughing at the trauma of the people he affected and the helplessness of the media response. The whole thing is just a cry for attention.

The moment people finally get that into their thick heads is the moment that we as a society can learn to stop rewarding acts like these. Facebook, YouTube and so on provide the communication tools, and internet-illiterate mainstream media does the rest. There's nothing about that that cannot be addressed. The incentives just need to be fixed.

Then why is it white males?

[Wallenburg]

Well okay? Can you be more specific? Right now it looks like you’re just throwing words around, not to mention ignoring the fact that acknowledging someone as a likely alienated racist isn’t necessarily wrong.

Okay, here's a non exhaustive list of questions that have to be asked to understand what went wrong to create this sort of person:
1.How did he become a racist?
2.How did he become so obsessed with his political and racist views? Most racists are more or less passive in their racism, what made him so obsessive?
3. What environment did he grow up in? Were his parents loving or abusive?
4. Are there relevant biological factors that fed into his anger and obsession?
5. What role did drugs and alcohol play in his descent?
6. What was socio-economic background?
7. How did the views of others, either alike or differing, affect his views and mental state?
8. Who did he interact with, either online or physically?

And so on and so forth. It's nothing near as simple as "he's racist, that's why he did it".

These are, to an extent, rather relevant questions.

Funny how they never come up when the terrorist isn't white.