50 Dead After New Zealand Terrorist Attack

[Tareldar]

This guy cites environmentalism quite a bit in his manifesto:

Green nationalism is the only true nationalism

There is no Conservatism without nature, there is no nationalism without
environmentalism, the natural environment of our lands shaped us just as
we shaped it. We were born from our lands and our own culture was
molded by these same lands .The protection and preservation of these
lands is of the same importance as the protection and preservation of our
own ideals and beliefs.

For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist
movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion
regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding
over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through
mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true
solution to either issue.

There is no Green future with never ending population growth, the ideal
green world cannot exist in a World of 100 billion 50 billion or even 10
billion people. Continued immigration into Europe is environmental
warfare and ultimately destructive to nature itself.

The Europe of the future is not one of concrete and steel,smog and wires
but a place of forests, lakes, mountains and meadows. Not a place where
english is the defacto language but a place where every European
language, belief and tradition is valued. Each nation and each ethnicity
was melded by their own environment and if they are to be protected so
must their own environments.

THERE IS NO TRADITIONALISM WITHOUT
ENVIRONMENTALISM

So yes then. Co-opting environmentalism as an excuse to murder people. Fairly typical of the far right to be honest.

Is it typical? I'd never heard of an eco-fascist before this. Are there others you could cite? If he was in communication with Breivik, maybe he was talking to them.

[Tareldar]

The guy is still an idiot beacuse you can make the environnent better without killing people

I mean, I don't think any reasonable person will jump to his defense because he's an environmentalist.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Hitler was a Muslim.

So can we report people for being obvious trolls?

Somebody's already done that.

[Caracasus]

So yes then. Co-opting environmentalism as an excuse to murder people. Fairly typical of the far right to be honest.

Is it typical? I'd never heard of an eco-fascist before this. Are there others you could cite? If he was in communication with Breivik, maybe he was talking to them.

I'd honestly rather not link to far right material here if that's OK. It's not exactly common but it's also not unheard of either. I mean, the references in the paragraph to rising populations and conflating immigration with population increase should really tell you that this isn't someone who has the interests of the planet at heart but is instead looking for an excuse to murder people and dehumanise them.

As I said, it's not new (frankly nothing I've seen in this manifesto so far really is). As others have pointed out as well, there were strands of ecological stuff to historical incidents of far right movements. The trouble is when you're looking at far right stuff is that you're simply not dealing with an ideology that is coherent or honest in the way we expect political ideologies to be.

[Woodfiredpizzas]

Oh boy do news agencies not know any memes?
Navy seal copypasta starts at 2:40

https://thewest.com.au/news/7-news-pert ... 881137485z

[The South Falls]

Is it typical? I'd never heard of an eco-fascist before this. Are there others you could cite? If he was in communication with Breivik, maybe he was talking to them.

I'd honestly rather not link to far right material here if that's OK. It's not exactly common but it's also not unheard of either. I mean, the references in the paragraph to rising populations and conflating immigration with population increase should really tell you that this isn't someone who has the interests of the planet at heart but is instead looking for an excuse to murder people and dehumanise them.

As I said, it's not new (frankly nothing I've seen in this manifesto so far really is). As others have pointed out as well, there were strands of ecological stuff to historical incidents of far right movements. The trouble is when you're looking at far right stuff is that you're simply not dealing with an ideology that is coherent or honest in the way we expect political ideologies to be.

Eco fascism is just an adaptation of fascism for the modern age, in my opinion. The whole ideology is not very coherent, allowing for easy adaptation into extremism by its disciples.

[Major-Tom]

When will enough be enough with the far right rhetoric and hatred that leads to these tragedies? This is despicable, makes me sick to my stomach.

Hoping the best for the survivors, and the respective conditions of countries like NZ, Canada, US etc.

[The South Falls]

When will enough be enough with the far right rhetoric and hatred that leads to these tragedies? This is despicable, makes me sick to my stomach.

Hoping the best for the survivors, and the respective conditions of countries like NZ, Canada, US etc.

Honestly I think we should force far rightists to spend a night in jail with far leftists until they work out theirdifferences. It sounds stupid, but we should give it a try. It's too dangerous.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

The trouble is when you're looking at far right stuff is that you're simply not dealing with an ideology that is coherent or honest in the way we expect political ideologies to be.

True, but the far-right isn't alone in that feat.

Eco fascism is just an adaptation of fascism for the modern age, in my opinion. The whole ideology is not very coherent, allowing for easy adaptation into extremism by its disciples.

Fascism is already extreme in and of itself.

[Czechosia]

R.I.P Josh Kennedy
R.I.P George Wilkinson
R.I.P Harry Rice

Victims of a Islamofascist vampire.

[Tareldar]

When will enough be enough with the far right rhetoric and hatred that leads to these tragedies? This is despicable, makes me sick to my stomach.

Hoping the best for the survivors, and the respective conditions of countries like NZ, Canada, US etc.

It'll probably come to a head with the formation of a "state" trying to fight for territory, the same way radical Islam culminated in ISIS/ISIL.

[Major-Tom]

When will enough be enough with the far right rhetoric and hatred that leads to these tragedies? This is despicable, makes me sick to my stomach.

Hoping the best for the survivors, and the respective conditions of countries like NZ, Canada, US etc.

Honestly I think we should force far rightists to spend a night in jail with far leftists until they work out theirdifferences. It sounds stupid, but we should give it a try. It's too dangerous.

Last I checked, socialists wearing berets and driving their brother’s old Hyundai weren’t shooting up mosques because Breitbart told them Islam was the reason their life sucked.

[Ostroeuropa]

This is in the manifesto and I think is very important:

True change and the change we need to enact only arises in the great crucible of crisis. A gradual change is never going to achieve victory.

Stability and comfort are the enemies of revolutionary change.

Therefore we must destabilize and discomfort society where ever possible.

A political candidate that keeps the status quo or only seeks to introduce minimal change, even when the minimal change is in support of our cause, is ultimately useless or even damaging. Revolutionary change is needed and above all necessary.

It is far better to encourage radical,violent change regardless of its origins. As only in times of radical change and social discomfort can great and terrific change occur.

These tumultuous times can be brought about through action. For example, actions such as voting for political candidates that radically change or challenge entrenched systems, radicalizing public discourse by both supporting, attacking, vilifying,radicalizing and exaggerating all societal conflicts and attacking or even assassinating weak or less radical leaders/influencers on either side of social conflicts.

A vote for a radical candidate that opposes your values and incites agitation or anxiety in your own people works far more in your favour than a vote for a milquetoast political candidate that has no ability or wish to enact radical change.

Canvas public areas in support of radical positions, even if they are not your own.

Incite conflict.

I think that this is the best insight into the killers motives and the political motivations he had, as well as explains why his manifesto is otherwise seemingly incoherent, and seems deliberately worded to play into every media stereotype about various members of the public at once so that they'll attack all of them.

He incites media action against dozens and dozens of groups by acting like they influenced him into the attack, most cynically by claiming he was radicalized by the video game "Spyro the dragon 3", doubtless to cause the media to launch into a "ARE VIDEO GAMES MAKING US RACIST!?" rant with clips of Spyro 3 to show how unhinged and detatched from reality the establishment is and thus polarize people against them, as anyone who knows what Spyro the dragon actually is would know that is an absurd claim to make and clearly done just to bait the media into attacking Gamers.


He wanted violent action against the status quo by any group prepared to do it, and to accomplish that, has taken up the identity of groups the media has marginalized, INCLUDING environmentalists at this time.

I would wager his support for environmentalism might be because he calculated they might be prepared to enact violence against the status quo to enforce environmentalism.

His ideology seems to be that the status quo is entrenched, refuses to change, and can only be changed by violent action against the status quo.

Consider that he explicitly named the most popular non-establishment media personality in the entire world during the actual act, and THIS is the person a lot of the media have jumped on to blame and say he makes his fans turn into racists, an implicit attack by the media on all those people.

[The New California Republic]

Having just watched the video it is probably the worst I've seen. The little shit needs to be nailed to the wall for what he has done. It is someone committing mass murder like this that makes me question my opposition to the death penalty for such acts.

[Czechosia]

Having just watched the video it is probably the worst I've seen. The little shit needs to be nailed to the wall for what he has done. It is someone committing mass murder like this that makes me question my opposition to the death penalty for such acts.

Fake Video.

[Caracasus]

When will enough be enough with the far right rhetoric and hatred that leads to these tragedies? This is despicable, makes me sick to my stomach.

Hoping the best for the survivors, and the respective conditions of countries like NZ, Canada, US etc.

It'll probably come to a head with the formation of a "state" trying to fight for territory, the same way radical Islam culminated in ISIS/ISIL.

Probably not though.

[Major-Tom]

Having just watched the video it is probably the worst I've seen. The little shit needs to be nailed to the wall for what he has done. It is someone committing mass murder like this that makes me question my opposition to the death penalty for such acts.

I am opposed to it, but yes, simultaneously, times like this make me vengeful. I try to avoid going down that rabbit hole of extreme anger, but it’s tough not to, cause this has made me ducking livid and disgusted.

[Tareldar]

It'll probably come to a head with the formation of a "state" trying to fight for territory, the same way radical Islam culminated in ISIS/ISIL.

Probably not though.

I've seen they have territorial ambitions in the US Pacific Northwest.

Given how surprising event after even proves to be, I wouldn't rule it out.

[The South Falls]

Honestly I think we should force far rightists to spend a night in jail with far leftists until they work out theirdifferences. It sounds stupid, but we should give it a try. It's too dangerous.

Last I checked, socialists wearing berets and driving their brother’s old Hyundai weren’t shooting up mosques because Breitbart told them Islam was the reason their life sucked.

Antifa was beating up people tho.

[The South Falls]

Having just watched the video it is probably the worst I've seen. The little shit needs to be nailed to the wall for what he has done. It is someone committing mass murder like this that makes me question my opposition to the death penalty for such acts.

Fake Video.

THE KILLER STREAMED IT you thickheaded pig shit.

[Tareldar]

Honestly I think we should force far rightists to spend a night in jail with far leftists until they work out theirdifferences. It sounds stupid, but we should give it a try. It's too dangerous.

Last I checked, socialists wearing berets and driving their brother’s old Hyundai weren’t shooting up mosques because Breitbart told them Islam was the reason their life sucked.

Yeah the only socialist shooter I can think of is the one who shot up those US Congressmen at the baseball game in 2017.

[Skylus]

Alright, I finally read through all 50+ pages.
Honestly, I'm already desensitized to this shit. I think all of us are, because this has happened so much. And it WILL happen again.
Not if, not where, but when.

[Skylus]

Having just watched the video it is probably the worst I've seen. The little shit needs to be nailed to the wall for what he has done. It is someone committing mass murder like this that makes me question my opposition to the death penalty for such acts.

Fake Video.

Gee, I bet you're fun at parties, aren't you?

[Licana]

Having just watched the video it is probably the worst I've seen.

You don't go to liveleak much, huh?

THE KILLER STREAMED IT you thickheaded pig shit.

Why would you fall so hard for bait this obvious?

[Tareldar]

Alright, I finally read through all 50+ pages.
Honestly, I'm already desensitized to this shit. I think all of us are, because this has happened so much. And it WILL happen again.
Not if, not where, but when.

Now read all 74 pages of his manifesto.

Take a shot each time "European" is mentioned.