by The Srovsk State » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:19 am
by The National Salvation Front for Russia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:34 am
by The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:58 am
The Srovsk State wrote:How could the Soviet Union Win the Cold War?
My answer:
The USSR is at it's peak during the Stalin and Khruschev era, it is infact stronger
than the west at the time. Problem is that the USSR did not have an atomic bomb available unlike the west which had multiple atomic bombs.
But AMerican children were big in Communism and socialism back then so the idea for the USSR to influence the United States to convert into a communist country and civil war could be necessary for that transition. AFter the USA turns communist it could start working with the USSR and take on NATO in Europe and japan in the pacific.
by Aclion » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:06 am
The New California Republic wrote:You are ignoring the fact that the defeat of the USSR was economic, not military. Implementing Perestroika in the 1970s would have made a massive difference, it was too little too late by the 1980s.
by The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:54 am
Aclion wrote:The New California Republic wrote:You are ignoring the fact that the defeat of the USSR was economic, not military. Implementing Perestroika in the 1970s would have made a massive difference, it was too little too late by the 1980s.
I don't think the Soviet Union can avoid economic defeat in the long term. We can presume that in our alternate timeline that the Americans will still force the Soviets to invest more in military then their economy can bear.
by Luziyca » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:32 am
by Sicaris » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:57 am
by Risottia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:05 am
The Srovsk State wrote:How could the Soviet Union Win the Cold War?
by Ethel mermania » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:28 am
The New California Republic wrote:The Srovsk State wrote:How could the Soviet Union Win the Cold War?
My answer:
The USSR is at it's peak during the Stalin and Khruschev era, it is infact stronger
than the west at the time. Problem is that the USSR did not have an atomic bomb available unlike the west which had multiple atomic bombs.
But AMerican children were big in Communism and socialism back then so the idea for the USSR to influence the United States to convert into a communist country and civil war could be necessary for that transition. AFter the USA turns communist it could start working with the USSR and take on NATO in Europe and japan in the pacific.
You are ignoring the fact that the defeat of the USSR was economic, not military. Implementing Perestroika in the 1970s would have made a massive difference, it was too little too late by the 1980s.
by The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:32 am
Ethel mermania wrote:The New California Republic wrote:You are ignoring the fact that the defeat of the USSR was economic, not military. Implementing Perestroika in the 1970s would have made a massive difference, it was too little too late by the 1980s.
^ this. The only way the Soviet had a chance was to isolate the entire eastern block from the west, and build up their internal consumer infrastructure. They simply could not win the peace race.
by Bear Stearns » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:36 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:38 am
The New California Republic wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
^ this. The only way the Soviet had a chance was to isolate the entire eastern block from the west, and build up their internal consumer infrastructure. They simply could not win the peace race.
It's actually very ironic that Gorbachev himself said to Erich Honecker "He who comes too late is punished by life", when a man like Gorbachev came too late to save the USSR...
by Uxupox » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:42 am
by The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:49 am
by Internationalist Bastard » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:00 am
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:03 am
by Commonwealth Republic of Andyrssia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:04 am
by Risottia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:23 am
by Shofercia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:24 am
The Srovsk State wrote:How could the Soviet Union Win the Cold War?
My answer:
The USSR is at it's peak during the Stalin and Khruschev era, it is infact stronger
than the west at the time. Problem is that the USSR did not have an atomic bomb available unlike the west which had multiple atomic bombs.
But AMerican children were big in Communism and socialism back then so the idea for the USSR to influence the United States to convert into a communist country and civil war could be necessary for that transition. AFter the USA turns communist it could start working with the USSR and take on NATO in Europe and japan in the pacific.
by Shofercia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 am
The New California Republic wrote:You are ignoring the fact that the defeat of the USSR was economic, not military. Implementing Perestroika in the 1970s would have made a massive difference, it was too little too late by the 1980s.
The New California Republic wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:
^ this. The only way the Soviet had a chance was to isolate the entire eastern block from the west, and build up their internal consumer infrastructure. They simply could not win the peace race.
It's actually very ironic that Gorbachev himself said to Erich Honecker "He who comes too late is punished by life", when a man like Gorbachev came too late to save the USSR...
Risottia wrote:The Srovsk State wrote:How could the Soviet Union Win the Cold War?
Only chance: by listening to Dubcek and starting perestrojka 17 years earlier, trading massively with Western Europe, and opening up to tourism and cultural interchange.
Problem: Brezhnev, the Soviet military/police apparatus, and (not entirely unjustified) paranoia.
by Risottia » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:32 am
Shofercia wrote:Seventeen? I was thinking the 1950s or 1960s
by The New California Republic » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:43 am
Shofercia wrote:The New California Republic wrote:You are ignoring the fact that the defeat of the USSR was economic, not military. Implementing Perestroika in the 1970s would have made a massive difference, it was too little too late by the 1980s.
Bingo! Although the economic reforms should've started earlier.
by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:54 am
The New California Republic wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Which is a good thing. The USSR was no good anyway.
I'm actually quite pragmatic regarding it. Plus they did make some quite decent consumer products if they really put their mind to it. I've got a 1970s-ish mechanical travel alarm clock from the USSR that is one of the best alarm clocks that I have ever owned. Sure, I had to give it a service myself by disassembling it, cleaning and re-oiling the bearings, and reassembling it, but all clocks of that vintage need a service. It's just as reliable and almost as accurate as a modern quartz clock, which is good going as far as mechanical clocks are concerned.
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