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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Tareldar wrote:
How do we fix this?

Destroy capitalism.


Or you can do what they do at UNAM. The following is short and really informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_doafpBDFs
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:00 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Imagine spending millions so your kid can get into Georgetown or even worse, USC. Now, Georgetown is a great school and top recruiting spot for bureaucratic jobs, but c'mon. As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?

If I'm spending millions, I at least want Columbia, Cornell, or Dartmouth, let alone Stanford, Princeton, and Harvard.

Don't forget UT was in there as well the head tennis coach got fired as stated by the local news here in Austin.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:02 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Far Easter Republic wrote:But would they finish their year/semester?

They should be shown the door immediately.

Alternatively, leave them where they are.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:23 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Destroy capitalism.


Or you can do what they do at UNAM. The following is short and really informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_doafpBDFs


Great link as always Rio!
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:They should be shown the door immediately.

Alternatively, leave them where they are.


Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:45 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Gig em Aggies wrote:two of them from USC are already feeling the burn, Isabella Rose and Olivia Jade Giannulli have dropped out don't know how many more will either drop out or be expelled plus the deals with several companies between the girls have vanished just like Spiderman on Titan.


I feel bad for the girls - how much of it was due to pressure fro their parents? It doesn't seem that Olivia Jade wanted to go, but was rather pressured by mom and dad, and now she's facing the loss of her social media career that she built on her own. That's a bit harsh.


Emmmm.....I read a couple things she took part in the effort or was quite aware it was going on. Time will tell. Many people are getting "outed" over this. About 50 families in my area have had their names listed in the paper for their part in the bribery and lies.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:45 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Alternatively, leave them where they are.


Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.


Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:48 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.


Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?


Part of the business was built on being the cute happening co-ed and "inspiring" other girls....it was a lie.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:52 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Alternatively, leave them where they are.


Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.


Even the ones who nothing about it, should be shown the door. They are there not of their own accord.
If they want back in, then they need to redo the whole college entrance process on their own, complete with retaking ACT/SAT tests, etc.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:53 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?


Part of his business was built on being the cute happening co-ed and "inspiring" other girls....it was a lie.


She had a thriving business before college, earning millions of views. Here's one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPETL3o8NUI
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:55 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.


Even the ones who nothing about it, should be shown the door. They are there not of their own accord.
If they want back in, then they need to redo the whole college entrance process on their own, complete with retaking ACT/SAT tests, etc.


They should also be asked if they even want the whole college experience. If you want it, really want it, and have the money and the brains, you'll make time for it, and won't need to cheat. Thus far I've looked at three cases, and in all three cases, the kids didn't even want to be there. Oh, the irony!

Anyways, if they're halfway through - let them finish the semester and kick them out. If they're not even halfway through, just kick them out.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:56 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Part of his business was built on being the cute happening co-ed and "inspiring" other girls....it was a lie.


She had a thriving business before college, earning millions of views. Here's one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPETL3o8NUI


Ok? She used the "college" experience and like any bad business decision; she pays the price.

It's ok to feel sorry for her. Just like it's ok to not feel sorry for her.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:00 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
She had a thriving business before college, earning millions of views. Here's one example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPETL3o8NUI


Ok? She used the "college" experience and like any bad business decision; she pays the price.

It's ok to feel sorry for her. Just like it's ok to not feel sorry for her.


From what I've gathered, she was "persuaded" into the whole college "experience" by her parents, which makes the whole scam even more pathetic. Not only are these rich kids taking spots of others who worked hard and deserved to be admitted, but they don't even want to be there. And now they're being blacklisted by the brands in yet another dumb move.

On top of that the only reason the FBI is even onto this, is because someone was caught committing yet another felony, probably a white collar felony, and snitched on everyone involved in this scam, to avoid being punished. Hopefully said felon will end up being sued in Civil Court. Everything about this case reeks, and you can certainly not feel sorry for the kids, but let's not pretend that she couldn't have succeeded in her social media career without USC.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Shofercia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Ok? She used the "college" experience and like any bad business decision; she pays the price.

It's ok to feel sorry for her. Just like it's ok to not feel sorry for her.


From what I've gathered, she was "persuaded" into the whole college "experience" by her parents, which makes the whole scam even more pathetic. Not only are these rich kids taking spots of others who worked hard and deserved to be admitted, but they don't even want to be there. And now they're being blacklisted by the brands in yet another dumb move.

On top of that the only reason the FBI is even onto this, is because someone was caught committing yet another felony, probably a white collar felony. Everything about this case reeks, and you can certainly not feel sorry for the kids, but let's not pretend that she couldn't have succeeded in her social media career without USC.


Her success may have happened. Could still happen. We will never know for sure now. There have been a few comments she was aware and even participated in the process. I will wait for the evidence before talking about hard punishment.

As to the others? The case (I believe) was made when somebody tried to deduct the bribes on the taxes as donations.

The case is interesting. My way it's rather interesting to hear people defending the bribery as acceptable actions. The comments of you can't punish the children. Such talk only perpetuates the belief it's ok to do. Even Jade made comments about her dad faking his way in college and defrauding his parents to start a business....
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:54 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Alternatively, leave them where they are.


Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.

Punishing people who didn't do anything wrong is not a great move.


Grinning Dragon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.


Even the ones who nothing about it, should be shown the door. They are there not of their own accord.
If they want back in, then they need to redo the whole college entrance process on their own, complete with retaking ACT/SAT tests, etc.

Why?
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
We build the wall to keep us free
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:57 am

Shofercia wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Hmmm? Maybe the ones who knew nothing about it?.

One way to punish the parents and make it sting is to punish the children.


Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?

You dont get to benefit from a crime.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:56 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?

You dont get to benefit from a crime.

If they're passing their classes then they clearly are qualified to be in those classes, and so they aren't benefiting from crime. If they fail their classes then they'll drop out and won't be benefiting from crime.
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What do we have that they should want?
We have a wall to work upon!
We have work and they have none
And our work is never done
My children, my children
And the war is never won

The enemy is poverty
And the wall keeps out the enemy
And we build the wall to keep us free
That's why we build the wall
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Postby 95X » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:24 am

Lawsuit filed. Reported on March 14th, 2019.
CNN/KXLY wrote:A group of students and parents have filed a federal lawsuit seeking class-action status against the University of Southern California, UCLA and other colleges named in this week's sprawling admissions scandal, saying their admissions process was "warped and rigged by fraud."
[…]
"Had Plaintiffs known that the system was warped and rigged by fraud, they would not have spent the money to apply to the school," the lawsuit says. "They also did not receive what they paid for -- a fair admissions consideration process."
Seems some students and parents are trying to fight money by looking for money. Instead, I think the universities in question should try to settle by refunding the application fee to the plaintiffs and call it a day.

Shofercia wrote:Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
I've never heard of her and in fact think social media "influencing" should be tightly regulated if not banned, but that's not the topic. To be honest, something "kids" should learn whether their parents are worth $10 or $1 billion is to make their own decisions in life and accept every good and bad result that happens because of that decision, including speaking up about attending college or not attending college.

Regarding the "college experience" argument, a student can also have the "college experience" from "Directional State College".

As for losing a business, that's the reality of business. As for other jobs, there's a joke in my area: "I hear whatever ACS calls itself now is hiring."

Ethel mermania wrote:You dont get to benefit from a crime.
If that happens and a student either withdraws or is expelled, if they have already successfully completed any classes do you think they should be allowed their transcripts that indicate the coursework was completed? Or should that also be forfeit? I'd be on the fence on that one which is why I ask. (Edit/add: After seeing the post below I think I know what the answer will be.)

Bear Stearns wrote:As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?
I've probably shared this before on NS; I visited Los Angeles when I was an undergrad student, and a professor at my university suggested I should visit USC because of their grad program in the field. I did. I also rode the bus out to Cal Poly-Pomona because it also had a grad program in the field. Guess which one I was legitimately more impressed with. :shock:
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I actually created an "issue" inspired by this: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=461396
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:29 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:You dont get to benefit from a crime.

If they're passing their classes then they clearly are qualified to be in those classes, and so they aren't benefiting from crime. If they fail their classes then they'll drop out and won't be benefiting from crime.

Wrong. A crime was committed to place them there, without that crime taking place they would not be there, they dont get the benefit from their crime.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:32 am

95X wrote:Lawsuit filed. Reported on March 14th, 2019.
CNN/KXLY wrote:A group of students and parents have filed a federal lawsuit seeking class-action status against the University of Southern California, UCLA and other colleges named in this week's sprawling admissions scandal, saying their admissions process was "warped and rigged by fraud."
[…]
"Had Plaintiffs known that the system was warped and rigged by fraud, they would not have spent the money to apply to the school," the lawsuit says. "They also did not receive what they paid for -- a fair admissions consideration process."
Seems some students and parents are trying to fight money by looking for money. Instead, I think the universities in question should try to settle by refunding the application fee to the plaintiffs and call it a day.

Shofercia wrote:Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?
I've never heard of her and in fact think social media "influencing" should be tightly regulated if not banned, but that's not the topic. To be honest, something "kids" should learn whether their parents are worth $10 or $1 billion is to make their own decisions in life and accept every good and bad result that happens because of that decision, including speaking up about attending college or not attending college.

Regarding the "college experience" argument, a student can also have the "college experience" from "Directional State College".

As for losing a business, that's the reality of business. As for other jobs, there's a joke in my area: "I hear whatever ACS calls itself now is hiring."

Ethel mermania wrote:You dont get to benefit from a crime.
If that happens and a student either withdraws or is expelled, if they have already successfully completed any classes do you think they should be allowed their transcripts that indicate the coursework was completed? Or should that also be forfeit? I'd be on the fence on that one which is why I ask.

Bear Stearns wrote:As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?
I've probably shared this before on NS; I visited Los Angeles when I was an undergrad student, and a professor at my university suggested I should visit USC because of their grad program in the field. I did. I also rode the bus out to Cal Poly-Pomona because it also had a grad program in the field. Guess which one I was legitimately more impressed with. :shock:
(Full disclosure: life happens; after earning my baccalaureate I took a survival job.)


if the grades were legitimate, and I would want that checked, I would let those grades transfer.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:36 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If they're passing their classes then they clearly are qualified to be in those classes, and so they aren't benefiting from crime. If they fail their classes then they'll drop out and won't be benefiting from crime.

Wrong. A crime was committed to place them there, without that crime taking place they would not be there, they dont get the benefit from their crime.

If they're passing their classes then how can you say that they wouldn't be in those classes without that crime taking place?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat Mar 16, 2019 7:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Wrong. A crime was committed to place them there, without that crime taking place they would not be there, they dont get the benefit from their crime.

If they're passing their classes then how can you say that they wouldn't be in those classes without that crime taking place?

It doesnt matter.

As an aside top schools get a lot more kids applying to them who are qualified to do the work than slots available. So lots of kids who can do the work dont get in to that school.
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Postby This City of Ours » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:10 am

Bear Stearns wrote:Imagine spending millions so your kid can get into Georgetown or even worse, USC. Now, Georgetown is a great school and top recruiting spot for bureaucratic jobs, but c'mon. As for USC, do I really need to compare to it to its much superior neighbor in Westwood?

If I'm spending millions, I at least want Columbia, Cornell, or Dartmouth, let alone Stanford, Princeton, and Harvard.


Or worse, US-fucking-D. Of all the schools in San Diego, they chose USD. Dude, pick UCSD instead!
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Postby Shofercia » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:17 am

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From what I've gathered, she was "persuaded" into the whole college "experience" by her parents, which makes the whole scam even more pathetic. Not only are these rich kids taking spots of others who worked hard and deserved to be admitted, but they don't even want to be there. And now they're being blacklisted by the brands in yet another dumb move.

On top of that the only reason the FBI is even onto this, is because someone was caught committing yet another felony, probably a white collar felony. Everything about this case reeks, and you can certainly not feel sorry for the kids, but let's not pretend that she couldn't have succeeded in her social media career without USC.


Her success may have happened. Could still happen. We will never know for sure now. There have been a few comments she was aware and even participated in the process. I will wait for the evidence before talking about hard punishment.

As to the others? The case (I believe) was made when somebody tried to deduct the bribes on the taxes as donations.

The case is interesting. My way it's rather interesting to hear people defending the bribery as acceptable actions. The comments of you can't punish the children. Such talk only perpetuates the belief it's ok to do. Even Jade made comments about her dad faking his way in college and defrauding his parents to start a business....


Her success is a lot harder now that the brands are boycotting her, for something she didn't do, and didn't even want to do. In the culture that her father grew up in, you were told by your parents to go to college and study accounting, programming, law, or medicine. Her father wanted to be a fashion designer, so he told his parents that he was going to college, but, in reality, he was using their tuition payments to run his very own clothing brand. That's not a crime.

And I'm not defending bribery. I'm defending those who were likely innocent, from being punished as if they intentionally committed the crime. The very fact that some people used bribes as a tax write off leads to the crime of tax evasion, something that they should be heavily penalized for. I'm all for fining those who evaded taxes the maximum amount, but let's not pretend that their kids should be pariahs for the rest of their lives.


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Shofercia wrote:
Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?

You dont get to benefit from a crime.


So if I properly short a stock and make a lot of money, I'd have to pay all of it back, if the competition was involved in collusion, even though I knew nothing about it?


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Shofercia wrote:Yeah, but take the case of Olivia Jade. She didn't even want to go to college, her parents made her go. Now she's not only been kicked out, but in danger of losing her social media business. The parents should be punished, but the kids who didn't even want the experience?

I've never heard of her and in fact think social media "influencing" should be tightly regulated if not banned, but that's not the topic. To be honest, something "kids" should learn whether their parents are worth $10 or $1 billion is to make their own decisions in life and accept every good and bad result that happens because of that decision, including speaking up about attending college or not attending college.

Regarding the "college experience" argument, a student can also have the "college experience" from "Directional State College".

As for losing a business, that's the reality of business. As for other jobs, there's a joke in my area: "I hear whatever ACS calls itself now is hiring."


It doesn't matter whether you've heard of her, or not. We get influenced plenty by the likes of CNN proverbially sucking the war lobby's cock, so I highly doubt that social media influencers are much worse, but that's beside the point. When you have both parents, who are successful, telling you to go to college for at least half a decade, that tends to leave an impact in your brain, unless you think that 13 and 14 year olds should make their own decisions... that'll end well. I agree that thinking that you can only have college experience from Ivy Leagues is dumb, but that doesn't really address my argument.
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