Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Hanafuridake]

On the matter of philosophies governing Monarchs, I look to three men for guidance: Constantine XI, Kaiser Wilhelm I, and Robb Stark.

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

[Totally Not OEP]

On the matter of philosophies governing Monarchs, I look to three men for guidance: Constantine XI, Kaiser Wilhelm I, and Robb Stark.

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

You just had to go there, didn't you?

[Chularatchamontri]

On the matter of philosophies governing Monarchs, I look to three men for guidance: Constantine XI, Kaiser Wilhelm I, and Robb Stark.

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

Breaking a marriage like that is never a good idea

[Hanafuridake]

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

You just had to go there, didn't you?

House Rei
Sigil: An Anime Girl
Words: The shade is ours.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Virtue ethics gang gang gang

Nah.

Yes, we know, you hate even the implication that there may be such a thing as good, which makes having any kind of meaningful discussion with you impossible.

[Torrocca]

On the matter of philosophies governing Monarchs, I look to three men for guidance: Constantine XI, Kaiser Wilhelm I, and Robb Stark.

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

Lopping off your kinsman's head and losing thousands of vital soldiers from your already comparatively minuscule army is fun for the whole family!

[United Muscovite Nations]

As far as great monarchs, I really like Seleucas Nicator.

[Totally Not OEP]

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

Lopping off your kinsman's head and losing thousands of vital soldiers from your already comparatively minuscule army is fun for the whole family!

His actions, on the whole, were honorable and understandable if lacking in pragmatism. Rickard Karstark had, against the orders of his King, killed hostages and as a result not only violated his oath to his sovereign, but also put in danger numerous Northerners held captive by the Lannisters. While we can agree it was a bad strategic decision as far as the military angle, allowing his vassels to openly flaunt his authority and giving justification for Lannister torture of Northerners in retaliation would likewise be a bad move.

[Hanafuridake]

There are so many great monarchs, but my favorite would probably be Qin Shi Huang, Napoleon Bonaparte, Chandragupta Maurya, and Go-Toba.

[Totally Not OEP]

You just had to go there, didn't you?

House Rei
Sigil: An Anime Girl
Words: The shade is ours.

If only he had taken Tywin on head first at the Green Fork. If not that, then if he or Brynden Tully had kept Edmure better informed, they could've defeated Tywin in the aftermath of the Battle of the Fords.

[Kowani]

Nah.

Yes, we know, you hate even the implication that there may be such a thing as good, which makes having any kind of meaningful discussion with you impossible.

Yes, we know, you hate even the implication that there may not be such a thing as good, which makes having any kind of meaningful discussion with you impossible.


Look, I can do it too!

[Torrocca]

Lopping off your kinsman's head and losing thousands of vital soldiers from your already comparatively minuscule army is fun for the whole family!

His actions, on the whole, were honorable and understandable if lacking in pragmatism. Rickard Karstark had, against the orders of his King, killed hostages and as a result not only violated his oath to his sovereign, but also put in danger numerous Northerners held captive by the Lannisters. While we can agree it was a bad strategic decision as far as the military angle, allowing his vassels to openly flaunt his authority and giving justification for Lannister torture of Northerners in retaliation would likewise be a bad move.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I would've absolutely yeeted that child-murderer's head off in a heartbeat for that aforementioned case of child-murdering.

It's still stupid, though.

[Minzerland II]

Isn’t that what the cadet branch is for? Do you still have those?

No. Those were abolished after the war unfortunately. But there has been talk about bringing them back, which would be a godsend.

Someone explain to me the dif between divine command theory and natural law theory.

From what I understand, the two aren't mutually exclusive, but Natural Law doesn't rely on Divine Command. Examples of religions with Natural Law but not a Creator God would be Stoicism, Buddhism, and Taoism.

I hope they bring them back, tbh.

[Totally Not OEP]

His actions, on the whole, were honorable and understandable if lacking in pragmatism. Rickard Karstark had, against the orders of his King, killed hostages and as a result not only violated his oath to his sovereign, but also put in danger numerous Northerners held captive by the Lannisters. While we can agree it was a bad strategic decision as far as the military angle, allowing his vassels to openly flaunt his authority and giving justification for Lannister torture of Northerners in retaliation would likewise be a bad move.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I would've absolutely yeeted that child-murderer's head off in a heartbeat for that aforementioned case of child-murdering.

It's still stupid, though.

You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become a villain.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yes, we know, you hate even the implication that there may be such a thing as good, which makes having any kind of meaningful discussion with you impossible.

Yes, we know, you hate even the implication that there may not be such a thing as good, which makes having any kind of meaningful discussion with you impossible.


Look, I can do it too!

Except mine made sense.

If you think right and wrong are merely opinion-based, no argument for or against things is objectively right, so there's no point in trying to convince you of anything. Everyone would have their own truth and there'd be no point in discussion. The only thing that would matter would be power in such a relation.

Whereas I actually have principles other than the absence of principle, so I can be persuaded by appealing to my principles.

[Joohan]

I too like to break my word to an important House and marry some random trollop just to be killed at a wedding.

Lopping off your kinsman's head and losing thousands of vital soldiers from your already comparatively minuscule army is fun for the whole family!

What family you have left any way

[Hanafuridake]

His actions, on the whole, were honorable and understandable if lacking in pragmatism. Rickard Karstark had, against the orders of his King, killed hostages and as a result not only violated his oath to his sovereign, but also put in danger numerous Northerners held captive by the Lannisters. While we can agree it was a bad strategic decision as far as the military angle, allowing his vassels to openly flaunt his authority and giving justification for Lannister torture of Northerners in retaliation would likewise be a bad move.

Oh no, don't get me wrong, I would've absolutely yeeted that child-murderer's head off in a heartbeat for that aforementioned case of child-murdering.

It's still stupid, though.

Lannister Lives Matter.

[Hanafuridake]

People who pick Nihilism ought to be sat down and made to read Demons from beginning to end in one sitting.

[Chularatchamontri]

Great monarchs I would point to the Rashidun caliphs, and in the more modern era I love Rama I and the recently deceased king Bhumibol Adulyadej.

[Kowani]

Yes, we know, you hate even the implication that there may not be such a thing as good, which makes having any kind of meaningful discussion with you impossible.


Look, I can do it too!

Except mine made sense.

If you think right and wrong are merely opinion-based, no argument for or against things is objectively right, so there's no point in trying to convince you of anything. Everyone would have their own truth and there'd be no point in discussion. The only thing that would matter would be power in such a relation.

Whereas I actually have principles other than the absence of principle, so I can be persuaded by appealing to my principles.

If you think that right and wrong are not opinion based, and rather objective, there’s still no point in trying to convince you because than it would not be objective. If your opinion could be changed, it would cease to be objective and become subjective (from your own viewpoint.) Your truth would be the only truth, and there’d still be no point in discussion. Everyone else’s truth is just immoral.

Your principles serve to guide your decisions, but the premises themselves are unchangeable. Otherwise, your morality would be subjective.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Except mine made sense.

If you think right and wrong are merely opinion-based, no argument for or against things is objectively right, so there's no point in trying to convince you of anything. Everyone would have their own truth and there'd be no point in discussion. The only thing that would matter would be power in such a relation.

Whereas I actually have principles other than the absence of principle, so I can be persuaded by appealing to my principles.

If you think that right and wrong are not opinion based, and rather objective, there’s still no point in trying to convince you because than it would not be objective. If your opinion could be changed, it would cease to be objective and become subjective (from your own viewpoint.) Your truth would be the only truth, and there’d still be no point in discussion. Everyone else’s truth is just immoral.

Your principles serve to guide your decisions, but the premises themselves are unchangeable. Otherwise, your morality would be subjective.

My opinion isn't what is objective, I could well be wrong. That is why I can be persuaded, as many have over the years.

With someone who has no principles, and rejects the idea that there are premises, well, how do you persuade such a person?

[Kowani]

If you think that right and wrong are not opinion based, and rather objective, there’s still no point in trying to convince you because than it would not be objective. If your opinion could be changed, it would cease to be objective and become subjective (from your own viewpoint.) Your truth would be the only truth, and there’d still be no point in discussion. Everyone else’s truth is just immoral.

Your principles serve to guide your decisions, but the premises themselves are unchangeable. Otherwise, your morality would be subjective.

My opinion isn't what is objective, I could well be wrong. That is why I can be persuaded, as many have over the years.

And therefore morality has subjective.

With someone who has no principles, and rejects the idea that there are premises, well, how do you persuade such a person?

Prove that there are premises.

[Hanafuridake]

My opinion isn't what is objective, I could well be wrong. That is why I can be persuaded, as many have over the years.

And therefore morality has subjective.

You might as well be saying that science is subjective, because it also makes claims about objective truths which it's open to being disproved.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

And therefore morality has subjective.

You might as well be saying that science is subjective, because it also makes claims about objective truths which it's open to being disproved.

Leftist science is subjective- most of it is made up.

[United Muscovite Nations]

My opinion isn't what is objective, I could well be wrong. That is why I can be persuaded, as many have over the years.

1) And therefore morality has subjective.

With someone who has no principles, and rejects the idea that there are premises, well, how do you persuade such a person?

2) Prove that there are premises.

1) Difference of opinion isn't proof that all opinions are equally valid.
2) We have moral instincts and there is a general will as to how we wish to be treated.