NationStates

Torrocca wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
To what are you referring to?

I mean, how many times has it been that you've referred to me as Tor (a fucking browsing system) since I came out as trans, or Torrocca when literally next to nobody ever uses full nation names on this site?

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think these statements of respect are genuine because of that. But whatever.

Nea Byzantia wrote:Political intrigue and power-plays are normal parts of History. What is RussiaGate and the Mueller Debacle in the United States, but a series of intrigues between the Republicans and Democrats? Only the naive believe that political stability and control can be eternal. Changes of Dynasty and Leadership are just a normal part of the ebb and flow of Civilizations. That's universal, regardless of what political ideology or system a given State functions under.

Proctopeo wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
I mean, how many times has it been that you've referred to me as Tor (a fucking browsing system) since I came out as trans, or Torrocca when literally next to nobody ever uses full nation names on this site?

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think these statements of respect are genuine because of that. But whatever.

There's no such thing as a standardized nickname for someone; people call me Proct or Procto interchangeably, even friends. Why is it a concern if you're called Tor or Torr?

Totally Not OEP wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
I mean, how many times has it been that you've referred to me as Tor (a fucking browsing system) since I came out as trans, or Torrocca when literally next to nobody ever uses full nation names on this site?

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think these statements of respect are genuine because of that. But whatever.

That's remarkably picky and bizarre tbh.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Senkaku wrote:
legion who? i don't know her, in THIS house the military is the servant of the state >:|

>> implying that the Legions weren't loyal servants of the Res Publica

Titus... get the cross.

Conserative Morality wrote:During the days of the Principate, outside of the reigns of Augustus and Tiberius, the Senate was neither spineless nor sycophantic. It is exactly that view, however, that made the Byzies such degenerates.

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Senkaku wrote:While this does all sound like great novel material, purges and palace coups leading to exiles and blindings and such are not usually a sign of a particularly effective or desirable political system lol

Political intrigue and power-plays are normal parts of History. What is RussiaGate and the Mueller Debacle in the United States, but a series of intrigues between the Republicans and Democrats?

Only the naive believe that political stability and control can be eternal. Changes of Dynasty and Leadership are just a normal part of the ebb and flow of Civilizations. That's universal, regardless of what political ideology or system a given State functions under.

Conserative Morality wrote:

Senkaku wrote:
legion who? i don't know her, in THIS house the military is the servant of the state >:|

>> implying that the Legions weren't loyal servants of the Res Publica

Titus... get the cross.

Fahran wrote:New poll up. Also, I appreciate the love we're giving to the Bulgar-Slayer. He was one of the more dynamic and interesting of the Eastern Roman Emperors.

Senkaku wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:Political intrigue and power-plays are normal parts of History. What is RussiaGate and the Mueller Debacle in the United States, but a series of intrigues between the Republicans and Democrats?

As far as I know, no one's been stabbed to death, blinded, or exiled over it.

Only the naive believe that political stability and control can be eternal. Changes of Dynasty and Leadership are just a normal part of the ebb and flow of Civilizations. That's universal, regardless of what political ideology or system a given State functions under.

Yeah, but changes of dynasty and leadership don't have to involve killing/maiming/banishing your predecessors lmfao

Conserative Morality wrote:>> implying that the Legions weren't loyal servants of the Res Publica

Titus... get the cross.

I mean you seem to agree with me that a political system where people get tortured and murdered every time there's a transfer of power is bad so idfk why you have such a raging hard-on for fucking Rome lmao

Conserative Morality wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:Political intrigue and power-plays are normal parts of History. What is RussiaGate and the Mueller Debacle in the United States, but a series of intrigues between the Republicans and Democrats? Only the naive believe that political stability and control can be eternal. Changes of Dynasty and Leadership are just a normal part of the ebb and flow of Civilizations. That's universal, regardless of what political ideology or system a given State functions under.

Tell me when political losers start getting blinded, castrated, and disfigured for taking the wrong side. When was the last time the US had a coup, again?

Proctopeo wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
I mean, how many times has it been that you've referred to me as Tor (a fucking browsing system) since I came out as trans, or Torrocca when literally next to nobody ever uses full nation names on this site?

That's what I'm talking about. I don't think these statements of respect are genuine because of that. But whatever.

There's no such thing as a standardized nickname for someone; people call me Proct or Procto interchangeably, even friends. Why is it a concern if you're called Tor or Torr?

Conserative Morality wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:There's no such thing as a standardized nickname for someone; people call me Proct or Procto interchangeably, even friends. Why is it a concern if you're called Tor or Torr?

Gotta agree here. I generally think the worst of neonazis, but shortening a nickname in the wrong way when the nickname doesn't seem to have some sort of sinister double meaning seems remarkably... minor.

Torrocca wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
That's remarkably picky and bizarre tbh.

... Not really though? That's not respectful at all if you're just referring to somebody as anything except what they prefer being referred to as.

Senkaku wrote:
I mean you seem to agree with me that a political system where people get tortured and murdered every time there's a transfer of power is bad so idfk why you have such a raging hard-on for fucking Rome lmao

Fahran wrote:>Loyal servants of the Res Publica
>Establish multiple dictatorships and participate in multiple civil wars that eventually lead to the effective consolidation of power into the hands of Octavian
Why are you like this, CM?

They did manage to assist in assassinating (or forcing suicide on) a few emperors.

Also, don't you shill for Augustus?

Conserative Morality wrote:

Senkaku wrote:
I mean you seem to agree with me that a political system where people get tortured and murdered every time there's a transfer of power is bad so idfk why you have such a raging hard-on for fucking Rome lmao

>> buying into Chrestian Lies about the Res Publica

Fahran wrote:>Loyal servants of the Res Publica
>Establish multiple dictatorships and participate in multiple civil wars that eventually lead to the effective consolidation of power into the hands of Octavian
Why are you like this, CM?

It was necessary for the preservation of the Res Publica.

They did manage to assist in assassinating (or forcing suicide on) a few emperors.

Outside of periods of civil war, which were rare at the height of the Pax Romana? Not particularly.

Also, don't you shill for Augustus?

No. I shill for Tiberius.

Proctopeo wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:Gotta agree here. I generally think the worst of neonazis, but shortening a nickname in the wrong way when the nickname doesn't seem to have some sort of sinister double meaning seems remarkably... minor.

It's, like, the tiniest nitpick. 'Cca is really just overreacting.

Torrocca wrote:
... Not really though? That's not respectful at all if you're just referring to somebody as anything except what they prefer being referred to as.

No, he's right on this. It is really picky and bizarre.

Senkaku wrote:why is the rome fanboy being smug with the byzie fanboy about coups and non-peaceful power transfers exactly? lol

Nea Byzantia wrote:

Conserative Morality wrote:>> buying into Chrestian Lies about the Res Publica

It was necessary for the preservation of the Res Publica.

Outside of periods of civil war, which were rare at the height of the Pax Romana? Not particularly.

No. I shill for Tiberius.

Ew

Conserative Morality wrote:

Senkaku wrote:why is the rome fanboy being smug with the byzie fanboy about coups and non-peaceful power transfers exactly? lol

Vespasian passed power peacefully to Titus, Titus to Domitian. Domitian was killed for trying to become a tyrant, but all his supporters were left unharmed and allowed to continue to participate in politics. Nerva passed power peacefully to Trajan, Trajan passed power peacefully to Hadrian, Hadrian to Antoninus Pius, Antoninus Pius to Marcus Aurelius and Lucius Verus, Aurelius to Commodus.

wHAt chAoS

Genivaria wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:Ew

I mean Tiberius's reforms could've saved the Republic from the corrupt Senate.
The Senate made the overthrowing of the Republic inevitable.

Torrocca wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:It's, like, the tiniest nitpick. 'Cca is really just overreacting.


No, he's right on this. It is really picky and bizarre.

Like I said, it's not that much of a concern in the grand scheme of things, and ultimately I couldn't care less, I'm just pointing out the lack of that conflicts with OEP talking about respect toward me when I've noted before that it's a preference.

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Everything after Commodus...

Also, what is Nero, and what is the Year of the Five Emperors?...You know, BEFORE Vespasian

Conserative Morality wrote:

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Everything after Commodus...

Also, what is Nero, and what is the Year of the Five Emperors?...You know, BEFORE Vespasian

What is one year of civil war? Not much.

Proctopeo wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
Like I said, it's not that much of a concern in the grand scheme of things, and ultimately I couldn't care less, I'm just pointing out the lack of that conflicts with OEP talking about respect toward me when I've noted before that it's a preference.

There are many levels of respect. He's just operating perhaps one level lower than you'd prefer.

Torrocca wrote:

Proctopeo wrote:There are many levels of respect. He's just operating perhaps one level lower than you'd prefer.

I'm just saying, he talks about respect but doesn't really show it. If it's as picky or as minor as you, OEP, and CM are saying, then what makes such an inconsequential thing so difficult to entertain out of respect? His actions contradict his statements.

Torrocca wrote:

Totally Not OEP wrote:
That's remarkably picky and bizarre tbh.

... Not really though? That's not respectful at all if you're just referring to somebody as anything except what they prefer being referred to as.