Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Novus America]

So Switzerland and Austria are not the West, got it.

Or Sweden. But for some reason India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are.

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

[Salus Maior]

I just stick with Christendom myself.

Which of course is more than just Europe (and I guess mostly not Western Europe at this point).

Christendom is a somewhat more coherent concept, but I still feel little loyalty towards it. After all, the greatest enemies of my country, sovereign and church have always been "fellow Christians."

I suppose, and I also suppose that Britain hasn't exactly been a friend to Christendom abroad. Particularly in the Middle East.

[Salus Maior]

Or Sweden. But for some reason India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are.

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

Because someone said that the British Commonwealth and NATO was "The West".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So Switzerland and Austria are not the West, got it.

Or Sweden.

Um....Sweden's in Europe.

But for some reason India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are.

Who says that???

[United Muscovite Nations]

The Roman Empire did exist and was pretty much "our" equivalent to China. <3

Its greatness was such that we pretty much all of us whiteys could start speaking simplified Latin and understand each other. So "the West" does exist in a sense.

I know what I think is the reason we'll never see its magnificence and beauty and traditionalist-oriented tolerance and pluralism again. I hardly need to repeat myself.

The Roman Empire wasn't tolerant lol

[CrvenaParsa]

Or Sweden. But for some reason India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are.

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

India and Pakistan can never be the West. They are both more or less equal in westernisation, but again as long as they have their shitty culture, could never be western.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Or Sweden. But for some reason India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are.

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

Hey, I wasn't the one who said the British Commonwealths were the West.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

India and Pakistan can never be the West. They are both more or less equal in westernisation, but again as long as they have their shit*y culture, could never be western.

How much do you know about Pakistani and Indian culture to say it's "sh*tty"?

[Old Tyrannia]

The Roman Empire did exist and was pretty much "our" equivalent to China. <3

Its greatness was such that we pretty much all of us whiteys could start speaking simplified Latin and understand each other. So "the West" does exist in a sense.

I know what I think is the reason we'll never see its magnificence and beauty and traditionalist-oriented tolerance and pluralism again. I hardly need to repeat myself.

The Roman Empire wasn't tolerant lol

What do you mean? Turning people into candles for not accepting you as a god is the height of tolerance.

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

Hey, I wasn't the one who said the British Commonwealths were the West.

In fairness I think that poster might have meant the Commonwealth realms rather than the Commonwealth in general.

[CrvenaParsa]

India and Pakistan can never be the West. They are both more or less equal in westernisation, but again as long as they have their shit*y culture, could never be western.

How much do you know about Pakistani and Indian culture to say it's "sh*tty"?

I happen to have been to both of those countries.

[Salus Maior]

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

India and Pakistan can never be the West. They are both more or less equal in westernisation, but again as long as they have their shitty culture, could never be western.

Or Sweden.

Um....Sweden's in Europe.

But for some reason India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are.

Who says that???

I guess it must be really difficult to read two prior posts.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

Hey, I wasn't the one who said the British Commonwealths were the West.

Oooooh, you were just going with Yusseria's argument. I thought you were being serious lol.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How much do you know about Pakistani and Indian culture to say it's "sh*tty"?

I happen to have been to both of those countries.

Since when? And you can't be in both countries at once (unless maybe if you're in Kashmir), do you mean you're travelling in between both of them?

[CrvenaParsa]

I happen to have been to both of those countries.

Since when? And you can't be in both countries at once (unless maybe if you're in Kashmir), do you mean you're travelling in between both of them?

You could and still can at the time cross the border via land as long as you were not a Indian or Pakistani citizen. I went about 11 years ago, things were different.

[Novus America]

Who says India, Pakistan and Bangladesh are west?
India is somewhat westernized and moving more towards the west, but would not yet be considered part of it.

Pakistan absolutely is not.

Hey, I wasn't the one who said the British Commonwealths were the West.

They are part of the Commonwealth of Nations, but no longer Commonwealth Realms.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Since when? And you can't be in both countries at once (unless maybe if you're in Kashmir), do you mean you're travelling in between both of them?

You could and still can at the time cross the border via land as long as you were not a Indian or Pakistani citizen. I went about 11 years ago, things were different.

Oh, so you lived there 11 years ago? How was it?

[Bienenhalde]

Oh and I’ll reply to the fantastic hoax about killing Falun Gong cult members and taking their organs etc. in due time. That’s just the kind of demonising propaganda suited for justifying crimes against humanity. Like what the west did to China back then.

So in other words, you will support or deny Communist oppression because you hate Abrahamic religion so much?

[Bienenhalde]

X-tianity is the originator of the foundations of communism and pretty much every bad ideology in existence. You’ll find everyone from grandpa Frankie to biblical sects applauding and going to great lengths to ensure open borders in the west. Among other things.

Knowing anything about how many of us whiteys died to implement “[our] religion in the west.. it’s hard for me to not feel that chasing away abrahamic missionaries is an entirely justified act of self-defence imho. I don’t applaud killing any living being but unnecessary violence and suffering is a trademark of X-tianity. China had recently gone through the Taiping Rebellion and had all the reasons in the world to protect itself from such missionaries.

Wait...I thought you supported Communism? Also, the Taiping Rebellion was started by a heretic cult that was not part of orthodox, mainstream Christianity. And if you look back at previous centuries of Chinese history there were Buddhist and Taoist cults such as the Yellow Turbans that started rebellions against weak, declining Chinese dynasties. Due to the weakness and decline of the Qing, the Taiping rebellion could have just as easily happened with a Buddhist or Taoist cult leader.

[Bear Stearns]

Russia is historically part of the West, it has many of the same institutions and historically has functioned as a member of the Western world.

The problem is that it split in the Great War, when the future of the West was decided on the battlefield. The liberal powers won, and deconstructed all the old absolutist monarchies, remaking them in their own image and setting the stage for World War Part Two: Electric Boogaloo. Except, of course, for Russia, which had already fallen apart and was in the throes of its own civil war. That detachment, regardless of the Red or White victor, was fatal for its participation in the political and cultural trends of the West.

A White Victory would've kept Russia in the West. By 1919 or so, most Whites were not fighting for the Tsar or even for a monarchy, but were simply just against the Bolsheviks.

[Bear Stearns]

Do you all think that the fast-pacing globalization of our contemporary era will one day in the future remove the nation-state? Corporations no longer profess loyalty to the nation, instead professing loyalty to the place where they can gain the most profit. I think it is reasonable to believe that Bitcoin will replace the dollar as the worlds most powerful currency in the 21st century.

Because of this, I believe that one day, an armed conflict will arise between those who want to keep the nation-state and those who believe that nationalism has only been a curse to humanity, the cosmopolitans.

We are seeing the undoing of this before our very eyes.

[Conserative Morality]

A White Victory would've kept Russia in the West. By 1919 or so, most Whites were not fighting for the Tsar or even for a monarchy, but were simply just against the Bolsheviks.

I don't think you get my point. My point is that this idea of a culturally united West, rather than one with the same cultural roots, only came about because of the unity of imposition and the subsequent reaction from the Great War. Absent the Whites becoming a virtual puppet government or becoming led by a radical Westernizer, there was no recovering from the break.

[Bear Stearns]

Yes, and since then Russia is no longer considered part of the West. Once Russia became communist they separated from the West and haven't drifted back since. They sit now with the likes of anti-Western nations such as Iran and China.

This just exemplifies how meaningless "the West" is as a concept. The West is whatever the speaker wants it to be.

Let's be real, most of the time when people say "the West", they've subconsciously meant "white people".

[Conserative Morality]

The Roman Empire wasn't tolerant lol

Decian and Diocletian: truly the height of the Empire.

[Bear Stearns]

A White Victory would've kept Russia in the West. By 1919 or so, most Whites were not fighting for the Tsar or even for a monarchy, but were simply just against the Bolsheviks.

I don't think you get my point. My point is that this idea of a culturally united West, rather than one with the same cultural roots, only came about because of the unity of imposition and the subsequent reaction from the Great War. Absent the Whites becoming a virtual puppet government or becoming led by a radical Westernizer, there was no recovering from the break.

I disagree. The idea of there being a "West" goes back to at least early conceptions of Christendom, and it always manifested itself when Europeans were pitted against outsiders, such as the Islamic invasions or Columbus's voyages.

But it was tenuous a best and changed a lot. Hence my other post that when people say the West, they really just mean white people (or Western & Northern Europeans if they wanted to be more specific, I guess).

[Conserative Morality]

Yes, and since then Russia is no longer considered part of the West. Once Russia became communist they separated from the West and haven't drifted back since. They sit now with the likes of anti-Western nations such as Iran and China.

This just exemplifies how meaningless "the West" is as a concept. The West is whatever the speaker wants it to be.

The West consists of those aligned culturally and not just politically with the new world order created in the aftermath of the two World Wars. More narrowly, it can be considered those with their roots in the Enlightenment, the Renaissance, and Rome, though aggressive imperializing makes that somewhat difficult to discern between imposed and accepted traditions.