Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Conserative Morality]

Honestly that's just people. The Chinese in the late 19th century weren't much different when they flayed Japanese POW's and displayed their torn apart bodies publically during the first Sino-Japanese war.

What if I count that Chinese throughout their history as pretty bad too

I'm not saying the Franks were exceptionally monstrous, but that unstable societies produce people who see extreme actions as more 'normal', and Western Europe was quite unstable for a time, particularly during the first few crusades.

[Conserative Morality]

"We droppin’ on Cuzco, boys?"

Nice breastplates, lame helmets and shield. 3/10, do not pass go, do not collect 200$.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

"We droppin’ on Cuzco, boys?"

Tbh, how Spain and the Conquistadors subjugated and treated the Incas is probably one of the greatest black spots in Christian history.

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

[Nea Byzantia]

Tbh, how Spain and the Conquistadors subjugated and treated the Incas is probably one of the greatest black spots in Christian history.

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

But the Spanish weren't interested in Allies.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

But the Spanish weren't interested in Allies.

Their Mesoamerican campaigns would beg to differ.

[Salus Maior]

Honestly that's just people. The Chinese in the late 19th century weren't much different when they flayed Japanese POW's and displayed their torn apart bodies publically during the first Sino-Japanese war.

What if I count that Chinese throughout their history as pretty bad too

I'm not saying the Franks were exceptionally monstrous, but that unstable societies produce people who see extreme actions as more 'normal', and Western Europe was quite unstable for a time, particularly during the first few crusades.

Hard times create hard people.

[Fahran]

Morality is everchanging.

>Lack of a transcendent moral order

[Conserative Morality]

Saracens during the Crusades: "They don't have doctors, they just cut the guy's arm off and pray, the absolute madmen!"

Also Saracens during the Crusades: "T-they let their women talk to other men??? UNACCOMPANIED????"

Historical cultural clashes are more fun when you find opinions of people on the ground.

[Proctopeo]

Saracens during the Crusades: "They don't have doctors, they just cut the guy's arm off and pray, the absolute madmen!"

Also Saracens during the Crusades: "T-they let their women talk to other men??? UNACCOMPANIED????"

Historical cultural clashes are more fun when you find opinions of people on the ground.

tbh cutting someone's arm off as medicine is metal as fuck

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Morality is everchanging.

>Lack of a transcendent moral order

Cannibalism, ‘nuff said.

[Salus Maior]

Tbh, how Spain and the Conquistadors subjugated and treated the Incas is probably one of the greatest black spots in Christian history.

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

While I don't have much sympathy for the Aztecs, the whole Spanish policy regarding the Americas and the natives was horrifying shameful.

(Honestly the only redeeming thing about the Spanish rule of the Americas is that they weren't White supremacist)

And the Inca response to Spanish atrocity is honestly heartbreaking to me.

[Salus Maior]

>Lack of a transcendent moral order

Cannibalism, ‘nuff said.

....What?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

While I don't have much sympathy for the Aztecs, the whole Spanish policy regarding the Americas and the natives was horrifying shameful.

(Honestly the only redeeming thing about the Spanish rule of the Americas is that they weren't White supremacist)

And the Inca response to Spanish atrocity is honestly heartbreaking to me.

The Spanish didn’t wipe off the two most powerful empires of pre-Columbian America (along with other important entities such as the Mayan city-states and the Muisca Confederacy) because they were white supremacists...

They just wanted the fucking gold.

[Salus Maior]

While I don't have much sympathy for the Aztecs, the whole Spanish policy regarding the Americas and the natives was horrifying shameful.

(Honestly the only redeeming thing about the Spanish rule of the Americas is that they weren't White supremacist)

And the Inca response to Spanish atrocity is honestly heartbreaking to me.

The Spanish didn’t wipe off the two most powerful empires of pre-Columbian America (along with other important entities such as the Mayan city-states and the Muisca Confederacy) because they were white supremacists...

They just wanted the fucking gold.

Yes, which is why I said they "weren't" white supremacist. And I'm saying that mostly in comparison to say, America who more or less cited racial inferiority in reference to the natives.

[Conserative Morality]

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

While I don't have much sympathy for the Aztecs, the whole Spanish policy regarding the Americas and the natives was horrifying shameful.

(Honestly the only redeeming thing about the Spanish rule of the Americas is that they weren't White supremacist)

And the Inca response to Spanish atrocity is honestly heartbreaking to me.

Arguable, considering how quickly formal racial categories emerged after the conquest.

[Novus America]

The Aztecs were at least somewhat justified considering their society was built upon human sacrifice, but the Incas...

They really didn’t deserve that fate, they would’ve made powerful allies.

But the Spanish weren't interested in Allies.

What is Tlaxcala? The Huancas?
Actually the Spanish were successful because they had native allies.
Many natives decided Spanish rule was better than Aztec and Inca rule.
The Aztecs were horrible to live under.

And the Incan while not as bad could be quite oppressive.

Large numbers joined the Spanish against both the Incas and Aztecs.

But Incas offered really no value as an ally, because the Spanish wanted to rule.
The wanted allies, but subservient ones who would accept Spanish rule.
The did not want equals, they wanted subjects and slaves.

[The South Falls]

The Spanish were for God, gold and glory
That's why the elevated some natives into administrative positions, other than just exterminating them all.

[Kowani]

"We droppin’ on Cuzco, boys?"

Tbh, how Spain and the Conquistadors subjugated and treated the Incas is probably one of the greatest black spots in Christian history.

It’s not just Christian history, Spanish history isn’t too proud of it either. Well. When we learn about it.

[Salus Maior]

While I don't have much sympathy for the Aztecs, the whole Spanish policy regarding the Americas and the natives was horrifying shameful.

(Honestly the only redeeming thing about the Spanish rule of the Americas is that they weren't White supremacist)

And the Inca response to Spanish atrocity is honestly heartbreaking to me.

Arguable, considering how quickly formal racial categories emerged after the conquest.

That's true, but there wasn't any issue with racial mixing like there was (and I guess still is) in the U.S. Which is why Latin America, by the vast majority, are descendants of native peoples and the Europeans. In fact some countries are majority pure native, or they're the largest minority.

[Conserative Morality]

That's true, but there wasn't any issue with racial mixing like there was (and I guess still is) in the U.S, Which is why Latin America, by the vast majority, are descendants of native peoples and the Europeans.

Yeah but, IIRC, it was more like "Each generation will get whiter if we boink" rather than "They're equal human beings".

[Salus Maior]

That's true, but there wasn't any issue with racial mixing like there was (and I guess still is) in the U.S, Which is why Latin America, by the vast majority, are descendants of native peoples and the Europeans.

Yeah but, IIRC, it was more like "Each generation will get whiter if we boink" rather than "They're equal human beings".

Yes, that's true. But that's a better attitude than the U.S's historical attitudes on race in my opinion, which more or less seemed focused on staying "pure" and separate.

[Sirocca]

Is extremism or radical political opinion really inherently bad? In fact, do you think moderate or centrism is really automatically "better" than radicalism?

Agree, yes.

Sometimes cracking your knuckles is the only solution.

[Sirocca]

Strategy for defeat.

While I value pragmatism and political realism, a victory actually has to mean something. If a political enemy engages in mud-raking, dig through their old comments and destroy them in a similar fashion. You can at least claim reciprocity as a moral defense when they whine overly much about being taken out of context or nailed for a joke. I want political victories as much as anyone, but those are secondary to intellectual, social, and cultural victories that will revive conservatism as a widespread movement and mode of thought.

I'm not even sure of your angle here.

It's not so much of an angle as describing various phenomena that might be culpable for the decline in happiness among women since the seventies. I'm a feminist, but I'll be the first to admit that the movement has a lot of problems and that women's happiness has not really increased due to the social changes effected by second and third-wave feminists. We're less happy than we were fifty years ago. The question is why.

People in their 90s, particularly in Europe, are far more likely to have engaged in genocide than 20 years olds; that's the central hole in that line. What it fails to take into account is that each of these different age brackets are different generations. This shows that by the modern day people at our age have seen the tables completely turn with regards to affairs.

That's a fair point. However, that would mean that, at the moment, married couples are less likely to cheat on one another than at any point in the past. It seems that we have fewer marriages but that the marriages that we do have are more faithful and less prone to divorce than in the past. We can't really say whether that statistical will hold though. There's a decent amount of evidence suggesting that people are more likely to cheat in middle age.

It's not nearly just enough to aid in marriages occurring, you have to aid in them remaining. In an American context, even if its financial more possible to get married, there is salient fact that it could not work and thus the possible ramifications of that. Abuse and infidelity rates are basically equal leaning more towards women while 80% of custody cases, alimony and other such lean towards women in court. As I said, you need to do reform the court system and begin social engineering if you truly want to make a dent.

Hungary's policies seem to have had an impact across the board, really. Hence why I'm so keen to implement them even if they're not conservative in a strictly American sense. I do believe that cultural and legal changes are required to adequately address the problems that have been created by the tumults and challenges of the twentieth century. A mind should be given especially to preventing the worst abuses that bar parents, principally fathers, from seeing and bonding with their children. And infidelity should carry larger repercussions than it currently does, specifically the complete surrender of all legal claims to alimony if concretely demonstrated as well as potential court-imposed fines for breach of contract.

I agree with your thought about political warfare. I'm frankly upset that the left has dominant control over the goodie areas of culture.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Saracens during the Crusades: "They don't have doctors, they just cut the guy's arm off and pray, the absolute madmen!"

Also Saracens during the Crusades: "T-they let their women talk to other men??? UNACCOMPANIED????"

Historical cultural clashes are more fun when you find opinions of people on the ground.

tbh cutting someone's arm off as medicine is metal as fuck

You can’t have a blood infection if you bleed out. Forget the tourniquet, watch the blood flow from the severed arm.

[Kowani]

"We droppin’ on Cuzco, boys?"

Tbh, how Spain and the Conquistadors subjugated and treated the Incas is probably one of the greatest black spots in Christian history.

It’s not just Christian history, Spanish history isn’t too proud of it either. Well. When we learn about it.