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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:30 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:More accurate depiction =^)

True, lol

A Greek Russophile is in no position to be mocking another country for leaning on old glories.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:34 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:True, lol

A Greek Russophile is in no position to be mocking another country for leaning on old glories.

I'll admit that I'm leaning on old glories. Are you?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:36 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

You're just trying to bait me because I'm more fun to argue with than Byzantia. I will not fall for it. :p

Typical. Lil Merica wants to dethrone Big Bro Britain.

Dethrone? Oh Honey that already happened in the 90's.

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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:37 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

You're just trying to bait me because I'm more fun to argue with than Byzantia. I will not fall for it. :p

Typical. Lil Merica wants to dethrone Big Bro Britain.

Ahem, you've got it wrong, it's Lil America wanting to dethrone Daddy Britain. Also I adore Britain and all but when it comes to religion, Catholicism >>> Protestantism

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Postby Novus America » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:39 am

Genivaria wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:Typical. Lil Merica wants to dethrone Big Bro Britain.

Dethrone? Oh Honey that already happened in the 90's.


The 40s really. Arguably even the 20s.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:40 am

Novus America wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Dethrone? Oh Honey that already happened in the 90's.


The 40s really. Arguably even the 20s.

Sorry you're right, I was thinking of '1900's' and I brain-farted.

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Postby Kowani » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

I just think its too bad they lopped off King Charles' head.

Opposite of a shame, really.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:47 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:A Greek Russophile is in no position to be mocking another country for leaning on old glories.

I'll admit that I'm leaning on old glories. Are you?

Right now? Not really. In general? Quite a bit. Though I have faith that if the current self-destructive tendencies in our culture are curbed, Britain is destined to play a deciding role in the fate of humanity once again; our geographic circumstances more or less ensure that our country will always be geopolitically important.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:48 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I'll admit that I'm leaning on old glories. Are you?

Right now? Not really. In general? Quite a bit. Though I have faith that if the current self-destructive tendencies in our culture are curbed, Britain is destined to play a deciding role in the fate of humanity once again; our geographic circumstances more or less ensure that our country will always be geopolitically important.

I could say the same about Greece.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:50 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Right now? Not really. In general? Quite a bit. Though I have faith that if the current self-destructive tendencies in our culture are curbed, Britain is destined to play a deciding role in the fate of humanity once again; our geographic circumstances more or less ensure that our country will always be geopolitically important.

I could say the same about Greece.

Greece is not so blessed geographically, though it has some strategic relevance.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:51 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I could say the same about Greece.

Greece is not so blessed geographically, though it has some strategic relevance.

In terms of being in a peaceful corner of the World, no. But in terms of strategic location, definitely yes.

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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Right now? Not really. In general? Quite a bit. Though I have faith that if the current self-destructive tendencies in our culture are curbed, Britain is destined to play a deciding role in the fate of humanity once again; our geographic circumstances more or less ensure that our country will always be geopolitically important.

I could say the same about Greece.

Italy tho, Roman Empire 2.0 Electric Boogaloo. :p

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I could say the same about Greece.

Greece is not so blessed geographically, though it has some strategic relevance.

"Blessed"

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am

Hot take: the United States should formally annex the rest of NATO. What could possibly go wrong?
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:53 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:I could say the same about Greece.

Italy tho, Roman Empire 2.0 Electric Boogaloo. :p

If is the Easternone, I'm down.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:53 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Hot take: the United States should formally annex the rest of NATO. What could possibly go wrong?

We could have France in our beautiful, pure country.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:53 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:Hot take: the United States should formally annex the rest of NATO. What could possibly go wrong?

Whoa whoa baby steps, first we annex Canada and then Mexico.
One thing at a time.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:54 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Italy tho, Roman Empire 2.0 Electric Boogaloo. :p

If is the Easternone, I'm down.

>> Byzies
>> Roman

Pick one. =^)
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Postby Dresderstan » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:54 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Dresderstan wrote:Italy tho, Roman Empire 2.0 Electric Boogaloo. :p

If is the Easternone, I'm down.

No, Latin > Greek, West > East, Catholic > Orthodox, fite me.

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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:54 am

Dresderstan wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:If is the Easternone, I'm down.

No, Latin > Greek, West > East, Catholic > Orthodox, fite me.

1182 here we go...let's repeat that sh*t again.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:55 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:If is the Easternone, I'm down.

>> Byzies
>> Roman

Pick one. =^)


The Byzantine Empire is a right and proper inheritor of the Roman Empire.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:55 am

Dresderstan wrote:
No, Latin > Greek, West > East, Catholic > Orthodox, fite me.

>> Roman
>> Catholic

PICK ONE CHRESTIAN
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:56 am

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> Byzies
>> Roman

Pick one. =^)


The Byzantine Empire is a right and proper inheritor of the Roman Empire.

It IS the Roman Empire.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:56 am

Nea Byzantia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Greece is not so blessed geographically, though it has some strategic relevance.

In terms of being in a peaceful corner of the World, no. But in terms of strategic location, definitely yes.

Great Britain is guarded on all sides by oceans, whereas Greece is not, leaving it significantly more vulnerable to military conquest; there's a reason why there hasn't been a successful invasion of the British mainland by an external enemy without internal support since 1066. Britain is also significantly richer in natural resources, has more fertile land and less vulnerable to natural disasters. You couldn't really select a better site to set a nation than our island.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:57 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Nea Byzantia wrote:In terms of being in a peaceful corner of the World, no. But in terms of strategic location, definitely yes.

Great Britain is guarded on all sides by oceans, whereas Greece is not, leaving it significantly more vulnerable to military conquest; there's a reason why there hasn't been a successful invasion of the British mainland by an external enemy without internal support since 1066. Britain is also significantly richer in natural resources, has more fertile land and less vulnerable to natural disasters. You couldn't really select a better site to set a nation than our island.

As a patriotic Hellene, I must beg to differ.

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