Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Nea Byzantia]

I never said America's empire was stable or long-lasting, did I? A lot are going their own way, since the Soviet threat went away.

Few ever refused to go their own way. I guess we basically ran West Germany for a time.

When I say "Empire", I'm not talking like the Roman Empire, or the Russian Empire; I'm talking more like a "Great Power" (which is an Empire in a lot of ways), if that's less confusing for you all.

I'm also going to make an educated guess that you're all Americans (except maybe Old Tyrannia), aren't you?

[Conserative Morality]

Few ever refused to go their own way. I guess we basically ran West Germany for a time.

When I say "Empire", I'm not talking like the Roman Empire, or the Russian Empire; I'm talking more like a "Great Power" (which is an Empire in a lot of ways), if that's less confusing for you all.

I'm also going to make an educated guess that you're all Americans (except maybe Old Tyrannia), aren't you?

I'm an American who thinks we don't have an empire, but we should. Annex Europe and Canada now. =^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)

[Old Tyrannia]

Few ever refused to go their own way. I guess we basically ran West Germany for a time.

When I say "Empire", I'm not talking like the Roman Empire, or the Russian Empire; I'm talking more like a "Great Power" (which is an Empire in a lot of ways), if that's less confusing for you all.

I'm also going to make an educated guess that you're all Americans (except maybe Old Tyrannia), aren't you?

It takes no great detective skills to deduce that I am British.

[Conserative Morality]

When I say "Empire", I'm not talking like the Roman Empire, or the Russian Empire; I'm talking more like a "Great Power" (which is an Empire in a lot of ways), if that's less confusing for you all.

I'm also going to make an educated guess that you're all Americans (except maybe Old Tyrannia), aren't you?

It takes no great detective skills to deduce that I am British.

Crypto-Jacobites aren't real Brits.

[Novus America]

Moving the goal posts. Empires trying to retain they power they have is not empire building.
So the US is not empire building. Intervention =/= imperialism.

Not that the US is properly classified as an empire really as it is democratic, not held to together by military force. Systems of voluntary alliances are not empires either.
Our alleged “vassal states” do not do what we like or want half the time anyways.

I never said America's empire was stable or long-lasting, did I? A lot are going their own way, since the Soviet threat went away.

But if it is not held together by force it is not an empire. Shifting alliances and power does not necessarily mean empire.

[Nea Byzantia]

Was East Germany a vassal state to the Soviet Union?

Yes. As was the rest of the Warsaw Pact. When you roll tanks into a country to prevent it from having elections you don't like, you are no longer engaged in a voluntary alliance.

And the CIA would never overthrow a democratically elected government that doesn't suit its interests...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... 7%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chil ... 7%C3%A9tat

[Novus America]

Few ever refused to go their own way. I guess we basically ran West Germany for a time.

When I say "Empire", I'm not talking like the Roman Empire, or the Russian Empire; I'm talking more like a "Great Power" (which is an Empire in a lot of ways), if that's less confusing for you all.

I'm also going to make an educated guess that you're all Americans (except maybe Old Tyrannia), aren't you?

Maybe just use the term Great Power then instead of a misleading one?

[Conserative Morality]

And the CIA would never overthrow a democratically elected government that doesn't suit its interests...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... 7%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chil ... 7%C3%A9tat

Neither of which were NATO members.

[Novus America]

Was East Germany a vassal state to the Soviet Union?

Yes. As was the rest of the Warsaw Pact. When you roll tanks into a country to prevent it from having elections you don't like, you are no longer engaged in a voluntary alliance.

Remember when DeGaul told us to leave France and we
A) left because he told us to
B) invaded France and murdered him (see Soviets in Hungary and Czechoslovakia)

Because I am pretty sure it was A.

[Old Tyrannia]

It takes no great detective skills to deduce that I am British.

Crypto-Jacobites aren't real Brits.

*Sobs*

Forcing good Protestant Englishmen and Scots to choose between an usurper and a papalist was the cruellest test God ever set.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes. As was the rest of the Warsaw Pact. When you roll tanks into a country to prevent it from having elections you don't like, you are no longer engaged in a voluntary alliance.

Remember when DeGaul told us to leave France and we
A) left because he told us to
B) invaded France and murdered him (see Soviets in Hungary and Czechoslovakia)

Because I am pretty sure it was A.

Considering it was DeGaulle, maybe B would have been the better option.

[Nea Byzantia]

And the CIA would never overthrow a democratically elected government that doesn't suit its interests...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... 7%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chil ... 7%C3%A9tat

Neither of which were NATO members.

Which somehow makes that ok?

[Conserative Morality]

Which somehow makes that ok?

No, but when your argument is that NATO is a vassal organization, it does make our actions towards non-NATO nations rather irrelevant.

[Novus America]

Yes. As was the rest of the Warsaw Pact. When you roll tanks into a country to prevent it from having elections you don't like, you are no longer engaged in a voluntary alliance.

And the CIA would never overthrow a democratically elected government that doesn't suit its interests...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... 7%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chil ... 7%C3%A9tat

Oh we did not always support democracy (Mossadeq canceled an election after he started losing BTW) but we did not overthrow those governments. Their own militaries (and other important sectors inside those countries) did. We just provided some support to the people in those countries that wanted to do so.

We did not roll troops into those places. It was Iranians and Chileans doing it.

And some great power skullduggery is not “Empire”.
Are we a great power that sometimes does great power shit?
Obviously yes.

[Dresderstan]

Crypto-Jacobites aren't real Brits.

*Sobs*

Forcing good Protestant Englishmen and Scots to choose between an usurper and a papalist was the cruellest test God ever set.

Assuming a papist is worse than a usurper.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh we did not always support democracy (Mossadeq canceled an election after he started losing BTW) but we did not overthrow those governments. Their own militaries (and other important sectors inside those countries) did. We just provided some support to the people in those countries that wanted to do so.

And some great power skullduggery is not “Empire”.
Are we a great power that sometimes does great power shit?
Obviously yes.

Mossadegh was a gud boi you Anglo sympathizer

[Nea Byzantia]

Oh we did not always support democracy (Mossadeq canceled an election after he started losing BTW) but we did not overthrow those governments. Their own militaries (and other important sectors inside those countries) did. We just provided some support to the people in those countries that wanted to do so.

And some great power skullduggery is not “Empire”.
Are we a great power that sometimes does great power shit?
Obviously yes.

Mossadegh was a gud boi you Anglo sympathizer

*Cackles evilly, and transforms into a double-headed eagle...Now I will fly to Master Dugin and inform him, I have turned them on each other!

[Conserative Morality]

Should we have invaded Britain to preserve the sovereignty of Iran, y/y?

[Old Tyrannia]

*Sobs*

Forcing good Protestant Englishmen and Scots to choose between an usurper and a papalist was the cruellest test God ever set.

Assuming a papist is worse than a usurper.

Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

Should we have invaded Britain to preserve the sovereignty of Iran, y/y?

You're just trying to bait me because I'm more fun to argue with than Byzantia. I will not fall for it.

[Nea Byzantia]

Assuming a papist is worse than a usurper.

Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

I just think its too bad they lopped off King Charles' head.

[Conserative Morality]

Mossadegh was a gud boi you Anglo sympathizer

*Cackles evilly, and transforms into a double-headed eagle...Now I will fly to Master Dugin and inform him, I have turned them on each other!

When Dugin realizes that flight is a thing, will he create a category of aerocracy?

[Conserative Morality]

You're just trying to bait me because I'm more fun to argue with than Byzantia. I will not fall for it.

[Nea Byzantia]

Assuming a papist is worse than a usurper.

Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

Should we have invaded Britain to preserve the sovereignty of Iran, y/y?

You're just trying to bait me because I'm more fun to argue with than Byzantia. I will not fall for it.

Typical. Lil Merica wants to dethrone Big Bro Britain.

[Conserative Morality]

Well, William was certainly the more capable leader. But James was the legitimate king by right regardless.

You're just trying to bait me because I'm more fun to argue with than Byzantia. I will not fall for it.

Typical. Lil Merica wants to dethrone Big Bro Britain.

More accurate depiction =^)

[Nea Byzantia]

Typical. Lil Merica wants to dethrone Big Bro Britain.

More accurate depiction =^)

True, lol