Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Napkistan]

I don't know why you guys continue to bother debating El-Amin. He's one bad day away from joining Al-Qaeda or some other fucked up jihadi group (personal opinion on where his current trajectory will lead him mods), supports beating your wife for acting out of place (as long as it's gently lmao), slavery, and raping slaves. I use to think he's...a very naive edge lord teenager, but that line was crossed hella long ago. I mean even the white nats I've had the misfortune of interacting with drew lines at things like raping slaves (of course the mods other than OT bent over for him lmao). Legitimately, just ignore him until he finds himself in the hills of Pakistan and the resulting comeuppance.

He posted an article on why raping slaves is unacceptable, that is what he was banned for.

Hitting your wife is permissible in Islam as a last resort so long as it is not in the face, is not vicious, and does mot leave marks. If it violates these requirements she can file for favorable divoce and perhaps even pursue criminal charges if bad enough. Very rarely is marriage bad enough to warrant it, it is if she, for example, started drinking and wearing mini skirts. It signals, no, this is not acceptable, if you continue I will divorce you. Ceremonially it can be done with a very short stick as a toothbrush was suugested by Muhammed when asked what one should beat one's wife with. But it is not playful, it is meant to be firm and making it clear you are at the end of your rope.

99.99% of the time a slave can never give consent to sex so it becomes rape almost by default. The 0.01% difference need to involve so many caveats as to what makes it different that honestly I can maybe think of only one or two historical examples. Sorry bucko.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

He posted an article on why raping slaves is unacceptable, that is what he was banned for.

Hitting your wife is permissible in Islam as a last resort so long as it is not in the face, is not vicious, and does mot leave marks. If it violates these requirements she can file for favorable divoce and perhaps even pursue criminal charges if bad enough. Very rarely is marriage bad enough to warrant it, it is if she, for example, started drinking and wearing mini skirts. It signals, no, this is not acceptable, if you continue I will divorce you. Ceremonially it can be done with a very short stick as a toothbrush was suugested by Muhammed when asked what one should beat one's wife with. But it is not playful, it is meant to be firm and making it clear you are at the end of your rope.

99.99% of the time a slave can never give consent to sex so it becomes rape almost by default. The 0.01% difference need to involve so many caveats as to what makes it different that honestly I can maybe think of only one or two historical examples. Sorry bucko.

That's not how it works in Al-Islam. Slaves can consent. If they don't and the master does so anyways, that's rape, which is Haraam and punishable by 100 lashes.

^It gets irritating having to say this line a bajillion times and still have people thinking you support rape.

[Hanafuridake]

99.99% of the time a slave can never give consent to sex so it becomes rape almost by default. The 0.01% difference need to involve so many caveats as to what makes it different that honestly I can maybe think of only one or two historical examples. Sorry bucko.

That's not how it works in Al-Islam.

That was the Branch Davidians' response when law enforcement caught them committing statutory rape. You don't get to rewrite consent because of your religion.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

He posted an article on why raping slaves is unacceptable, that is what he was banned for.

Hitting your wife is permissible in Islam as a last resort so long as it is not in the face, is not vicious, and does mot leave marks. If it violates these requirements she can file for favorable divoce and perhaps even pursue criminal charges if bad enough. Very rarely is marriage bad enough to warrant it, it is if she, for example, started drinking and wearing mini skirts. It signals, no, this is not acceptable, if you continue I will divorce you. Ceremonially it can be done with a very short stick as a toothbrush was suugested by Muhammed when asked what one should beat one's wife with. But it is not playful, it is meant to be firm and making it clear you are at the end of your rope.

99.99% of the time a slave can never give consent to sex so it becomes rape almost by default. The 0.01% difference need to involve so many caveats as to what makes it different that honestly I can maybe think of only one or two historical examples. Sorry bucko.

By this logic neither could most wives during the period of the west when marriages were often arranged and divorce was illegal. Except Islam actually says you cannot violate a slave, whereas marital rape was completely legal.

A slave in Islam essentially had rights similar to what wives had in the west, with wives in Islam having more rights than Medieval to early modern west.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

This is starting to veer into IDT territory y'all.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

I have heard, in the days of the Prophet, that the Shia would steal the shoes of believers left outside the masjid.

[Napkistan]

99.99% of the time a slave can never give consent to sex so it becomes rape almost by default. The 0.01% difference need to involve so many caveats as to what makes it different that honestly I can maybe think of only one or two historical examples. Sorry bucko.

By this logic neither could most wives during the period of the west when marriages were often arranged and divorce was illegal. Except Islam actually says you cannot violate a slave, whereas marital rape was completely legal.

A slave in Islam essentially had rights similar to what wives had in the west, with wives in Islam having more rights than Medieval to early modern west.

Good thing I think marital rape is abhorrent. And yes, there were a lot of horrible things and social norms in the West in the past. I don't dispute that. A nice attempt at "But what about you!" however.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

Violence is never the answer.

[Napkistan]

Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

Violence is never the answer.

Sir Arthur Harris and Bomber Command would disagree.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

Violence is never the answer.

Sometimes it is. Like in self-defense.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Whenever I debate unbelievers and I reach out, my shoe is often in the back of my mind before my hand settles on the Qur'an.

I have heard, in the days of the Prophet, that the Shia would steal the shoes of believers left outside the masjid.

Yes, they claimed they only wanted to find the right pair so as to venerate them, but who can say since their fiqh assures blessings for every falsehood told to Sunnis.

[Hanafuridake]

Violence is never the answer.

Sometimes it is. Like in self-defense.

Which the vast majority of Islamic warfare has never been in.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

By this logic neither could most wives during the period of the west when marriages were often arranged and divorce was illegal. Except Islam actually says you cannot violate a slave, whereas marital rape was completely legal.

A slave in Islam essentially had rights similar to what wives had in the west, with wives in Islam having more rights than Medieval to early modern west.

Good thing I think marital rape is abhorrent. And yes, there were a lot of horrible things and social norms in the West in the past. I don't dispute that. A nice attempt at "But what about you!" however.

My point is that your reasoning would mean all marital sex in the west then was rape. Which is far fetched.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I have heard, in the days of the Prophet, that the Shia would steal the shoes of believers left outside the masjid.

Yes, they claimed they only wanted to find the right pair so as to venerate them, but who can say since their fiqh assures blessings for every falsehood told to Sunnis.

I was trying to make a sectarian joke, but your response ruined the punchline I was going to type.

[Kowani]

I have heard, in the days of the Prophet, that the Shia would steal the shoes of believers left outside the masjid.

Yes, they claimed they only wanted to find the right pair so as to venerate them, but who can say since their fiqh assures blessings for every falsehood told to Sunnis.

Hook, line and sinker.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Sometimes it is. Like in self-defense.

Which the vast majority of Islamic warfare has never been in.

It was about protecting the enviroment from the unbeliever.

[Hanafuridake]

Which the vast majority of Islamic warfare has never been in.

It was about protecting the enviroment from the unbeliever.

Uh huh.

We came down on them like a flood,
We went out among their cities,
We tore down the idol-temples,
We shat on the Buddha's head!

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Yes, they claimed they only wanted to find the right pair so as to venerate them, but who can say since their fiqh assures blessings for every falsehood told to Sunnis.

I was trying to make a sectarian joke, but your response ruined the punchline I was going to type.

I thought you already did?

Shia

[United Muscovite Nations]

I was trying to make a sectarian joke, but your response ruined the punchline I was going to type.

I thought you already did?

Shia

You were supposed to say "But there were no Shia in the time of the prophet." To which I would reply, "Well then where do they get their religion?"

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

It was about protecting the enviroment from the unbeliever.

Uh huh.

We came down on them like a flood,
We went out among their cities,
We tore down the idol-temples,
We shat on the Buddha's head!

He wrote asking to be taught greater humility

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

I thought you already did?

Shia

You were supposed to say "But there were no Shia in the time of the prophet." To which I would reply, "Well then where do they get their religion?"

I subverted it into something more surreal and better.

[Hanafuridake]

Uh huh.

He wrote asking to be taught greater humility

Let me reiterate. Uh huh.

The Muslim Turk Mahmud Kashgari insulted the Uyghur Buddhists as "Uighur dogs" and called them "Tats", which referred to the "Uighur infidels" according to the Tuxsi and Taghma, while other Turks called Persians "tat".[16][17] While Kashgari displayed a different attitude towards the Turks diviners beliefs and "national customs", he expressed towards Buddhism a hatred in his Diwan where he wrote the verse cycle on the war against Uighur Buddhists. Buddhist origin words like toyin (a cleric or priest) and Burxān or Furxan (meaning Buddha, acquiring the generic meaning of "idol" in the Turkic language of Kashgari) had negative connotations to Muslim Turks.[18][19]

[Genivaria]

99.99% of the time a slave can never give consent to sex so it becomes rape almost by default. The 0.01% difference need to involve so many caveats as to what makes it different that honestly I can maybe think of only one or two historical examples. Sorry bucko.

By this logic neither could most wives during the period of the west when marriages were often arranged and divorce was illegal. Except Islam actually says you cannot violate a slave, whereas marital rape was completely legal.

A slave in Islam essentially had rights similar to what wives had in the west, with wives in Islam having more rights than Medieval to early modern west.

Okay seriously your desperate Whataboutism and trying to bring up shitty Christian views/actions in the past to justify your shitty views/actions NOW doesn't work and is transparent to everyone.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Violence is never the answer.

Sir Arthur Harris and Bomber Command would disagree.

Bomber Harris was a cuckboy.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Violence is never the answer.

Sometimes it is. Like in self-defense.

I've said it before and I will say it again, self-defense does not count as violence.