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To what ethical philosophy do you subscribe?

Ethical Egoism
12
11%
Act Utilitarianism
7
6%
Rule Utilitarianism
7
6%
Kantian Ethics
6
5%
Virtue Ethics
19
17%
Nihilism/YOLO
18
16%
Radical Subjectivism
2
2%
Cultural Relativism
3
3%
Divine Command Theory
18
16%
Natural Law Theory
20
18%
 
Total votes : 112

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:11 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
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Salus to himself.

That actually doesn't sound that bad :)
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:30 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why wouldn't you defend your religion?

Bodhicaryāvatāra wrote:Hatred towards those who speak insultingly about or damage sacred images or stūpas is inappropriate. The Buddhas do not get angry at such things.


And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?

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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:33 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Partly due to my influence; I'm among the last of the old originals.

I am as well, but regrettably I haven't observed any proliferation of High Tories and monarchists here. I suppose there's Loegria, but I doubt his politics have been influenced by me in the slightest.


Well, I highly respect you and appreciate your intelligent and principled commentary, if that is any comfort.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:34 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:


And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?

Detaching yourself from the world and from material concerns is kind of central to Buddhism.
Bienenhalde wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I am as well, but regrettably I haven't observed any proliferation of High Tories and monarchists here. I suppose there's Loegria, but I doubt his politics have been influenced by me in the slightest.


Well, I highly respect you and appreciate your intelligent and principled commentary, if that is any comfort.

Thank you, it does mean a lot.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:42 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:


And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?


> Becoming a robot with no human emotions

I mean that would be ideal, if I'm to be completely honest. Dispassion is the proper state of a virtuous being. I find that the Stoics had (generally) the right idea in this case.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:46 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?


> Becoming a robot with no human emotions

I mean that would be ideal, if I'm to be completely honest. Dispassion is the proper state of a virtuous being. I find that the Stoics had (generally) the right idea in this case.

Sorry Locutus, we're not buying what you're selling.
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:48 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
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I don't mean to be rude, but I don't get the appeal of NatSyn-ism. Can someone explain it to me?

I find it to be a good way to promote workers' rights while maintaining national unity.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:49 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:


And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?


Not allowing myself to be disturbed by anger is somehow wanting to become an emotionless automation what?

Is Jesus' commandment to love one's enemies and bless those who curse you a commandment to do the same?
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Postby Yusseria » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:51 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?


Not allowing myself to be disturbed by anger is somehow wanting to become an emotionless automation what?

Is Jesus' commandment to love one's enemies and bless those who curse you a commandment to do the same?

Honestly I'm ready to become a cyborg.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:52 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
> Becoming a robot with no human emotions

I mean that would be ideal, if I'm to be completely honest. Dispassion is the proper state of a virtuous being. I find that the Stoics had (generally) the right idea in this case.

Sorry Locutus, we're not buying what you're selling.


I mean, I was aiming more for Cybermen than Borg. :p

In all seriousness however, I admit that I found Stoic philosophy to be rather influential in shaping my moral philosophy. I took similar inspiration from Kant and Mohism, with some aspects of Hobbes and Chinese Legalism, at least in the practical aspects of statecraft. Does that make sense?
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:56 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
Partly due to my influence; I'm among the last of the old originals.

I am as well, but regrettably I haven't observed any proliferation of High Tories and monarchists here. I suppose there's Loegria, but I doubt his politics have been influenced by me in the slightest.


I don't know whether you have influenced me and I doubt that I've influenced anyone. Not that it would bother me if you did, you're probably the sanest person I've ever met on a political forum.
Yusseria wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Not allowing myself to be disturbed by anger is somehow wanting to become an emotionless automation what?

Is Jesus' commandment to love one's enemies and bless those who curse you a commandment to do the same?

Honestly I'm ready to become a cyborg.


Emotions are prohibited.
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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:05 pm

Yusseria wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:
Not allowing myself to be disturbed by anger is somehow wanting to become an emotionless automation what?

Is Jesus' commandment to love one's enemies and bless those who curse you a commandment to do the same?

Honestly I'm ready to become a cyborg.

The national syndicalists could be a half human half mechanical army bent on destroying democracy and globalism.
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Postby Totally Not OEP » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:25 pm

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Postby Novus America » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:51 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I am as well, but regrettably I haven't observed any proliferation of High Tories and monarchists here. I suppose there's Loegria, but I doubt his politics have been influenced by me in the slightest.


I don't know whether you have influenced me and I doubt that I've influenced anyone. Not that it would bother me if you did, you're probably the sanest person I've ever met on a political forum.
Yusseria wrote:Honestly I'm ready to become a cyborg.


Emotions are prohibited.


Sanity is for the weak. :twisted:
Anyways being a cyborg does not actually require having no emotions.
We already have cyborgs. If you have a pacemaker you are a cyborg.
A limited one but still.

Cyborgs are the future. Machines are good a some things, biologicals other things.
And really touch screens? Mice? Keyboards? Our limited human machine interfaces are a massive loss of productivity.

Cyborgs are the solution.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:56 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?


Not allowing myself to be disturbed by anger is somehow wanting to become an emotionless automation what?

Is Jesus' commandment to love one's enemies and bless those who curse you a commandment to do the same?


Well, to be fair, I guess I was trying to understand it in the larger context of Buddhist beliefs. But being angry about someone's actions is not the same as hating the person. And even if you feel no emotion at all, it would at least make sense to ensure that evildoers were punished for their misdeeds.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:02 pm

I don't understand stoicism. I get that letting emotion guide your decisions is a bad idea, but I don't see how expressing emotions is inherently bad.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:42 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I don't understand stoicism. I get that letting emotion guide your decisions is a bad idea, but I don't see how expressing emotions is inherently bad.


What you're describing sounds more like the product of what is called toxic masculinity, the idea that expressing emotions is feminine and that a man who does so is not a real man, rather than the actual philosophical school of Stoicism. The Stoics didn't believe that the expression of emotions were bad, they believed that man shouldn't be controlled by his desires. Joy and goodwill were valued in Stoicism as a product of their lifestyle, not mindless servitude.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:47 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
And what exactly are you aiming at here? Becoming a robot with no human emotions?


> Becoming a robot with no human emotions

I mean that would be ideal, if I'm to be completely honest. Dispassion is the proper state of a virtuous being. I find that the Stoics had (generally) the right idea in this case.

I prefer Aristotle's take: virtous emotion is expressing the right emotion at the right intensity and the right time and place according to the propriety of your person.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:50 pm

I have an idea for a second RWDT RP, but this one more structured than the last, tell me if this sounds like a good idea for it, if enough of you like it, I'll make an OOC for it in P2TM.

Alexander the Great lives 10 years longer, and is able to write out a will dictating political control of his Empire, which i would base on the Tetrarchy in the Roman Empire, fast forward 450 years, it's economically prosperous but technologically and ideologically stagnant, and struggling to adapt to new religions and ideas. Each player plays as a Diadoch, there will be four, one in Makedonia itself, one in Phyrgia, one in Egypt, and one in Seleucia. They have to balance their domestic politics in their armies (by balancing the prestige of their elite Agema troops, their regular troops, and auxilliaries they employ out of their own pockets), while jockeying for power in the Empire's politics and also fending off foreign powers
Mechanics would be somewhat similar to DnD with a focus on roleplay with some rollplay involved

No applications until there's an OOC thread please, and no calling dibs. I don't even have all the lore set up yet.
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I have an idea for a second RWDT RP, but this one more structured than the last, tell me if this sounds like a good idea for it, if enough of you like it, I'll make an OOC for it in P2TM.

Alexander the Great lives 10 years longer, and is able to write out a will dictating political control of his Empire, which i would base on the Tetrarchy in the Roman Empire, fast forward 450 years, it's economically prosperous but technologically and ideologically stagnant, and struggling to adapt to new religions and ideas. Each player plays as a Diadoch, there will be four, one in Makedonia itself, one in Phyrgia, one in Egypt, and one in Seleucia. They have to balance their domestic politics in their armies (by balancing the prestige of their elite Agema troops, their regular troops, and auxilliaries they employ out of their own pockets), while jockeying for power in the Empire's politics and also fending off foreign powers
Mechanics would be somewhat similar to DnD with a focus on roleplay with some rollplay involved

No applications until there's an OOC thread please, and no calling dibs. I don't even have all the lore set up yet.


What about Alexander IV and Megas Alexandros' plans for 1) the worship of Zeus-Ammon and himself throughout his Empire 2) conquests of the Mediterranean Basin and circumnavigation of Africa?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:01 pm

Valrifell wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I have an idea for a second RWDT RP, but this one more structured than the last, tell me if this sounds like a good idea for it, if enough of you like it, I'll make an OOC for it in P2TM.

Alexander the Great lives 10 years longer, and is able to write out a will dictating political control of his Empire, which i would base on the Tetrarchy in the Roman Empire, fast forward 450 years, it's economically prosperous but technologically and ideologically stagnant, and struggling to adapt to new religions and ideas. Each player plays as a Diadoch, there will be four, one in Makedonia itself, one in Phyrgia, one in Egypt, and one in Seleucia. They have to balance their domestic politics in their armies (by balancing the prestige of their elite Agema troops, their regular troops, and auxilliaries they employ out of their own pockets), while jockeying for power in the Empire's politics and also fending off foreign powers
Mechanics would be somewhat similar to DnD with a focus on roleplay with some rollplay involved

No applications until there's an OOC thread please, and no calling dibs. I don't even have all the lore set up yet.


What about Alexander IV and Megas Alexandros' plans for 1) the worship of Zeus-Ammon and himself throughout his Empire 2) conquests of the Mediterranean Basin and circumnavigation of Africa?

I'm thinking we would keep the first, but after his death the second is rejected as unfeasible by his successors and the focus becomes holding the empire together.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:03 pm

Having Alexanders cult be at least present could be kinda fun.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Having Alexanders cult be at least present could be kinda fun.


If you're not going to deify yourself what's the point of even being in a religion.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Having Alexanders cult be at least present could be kinda fun.

It almost certainly will be, but like I said, I haven't written out hardly any of the lore yet, and just have the core idea.
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Postby Greater Westralia » Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:09 pm

What's the status of Rome in this alternate timeline? Is it a rival Republic to the west, or a part of Alexander's Empire?
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