Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Fahran]

Why not add in Classical Conservatism (or just Conservatism) instead of Physical Removal? If we're looking for a meme response, we already have Anarcho-Monarchism after all.

I thought paleo-con would accommodate that categorization well enough. Perhaps an option of nationalism or right-wing populism is preferable though. I'm not seriously going to put a meme answer.

[Fahran]

I mean, if we're to use this set of options, I suppose "liberal conservatism" would be best, but I must say that I'm rather dismayed at the fact that there's not an option that truly sums up my politics.

As an acolyte of Kant, your politics are probably somewhat liberal comparatively. Classical liberalism with some moralizing tendencies would probably be the best option. I've thought about adding classical liberalism, but, again, I'm trying to cater to the regulars here. The current list still leaves out a lot of modes of right-wing thought.

Absolutist Monarchism/Constitutional Monarchism
Fascism/National Syndicalism
Paleo-Conservatism
Neo-Conservatism
Liberal Conservatism/Progressive Conservatism
Theocracy
Libertarianism
Anarcho-Capitalism/Anarcho-Primitivism

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I mean, if we're to use this set of options, I suppose "liberal conservatism" would be best, but I must say that I'm rather dismayed at the fact that there's not an option that truly sums up my politics.

As an acolyte of Kant, your politics are probably somewhat liberal comparatively. Classical liberalism with some moralizing tendencies would probably be the best option. I've thought about adding classical liberalism, but, again, I'm trying to cater to the regulars here. The current list still leaves out a lot of modes of right-wing thought.

Absolutist Monarchism/Constitutional Monarchism
Fascism/National Syndicalism
Paleo-Conservatism
Neo-Conservatism
Liberal Conservatism/Progressive Conservatism
Theocracy
Libertarianism
Anarcho-Capitalism/Anarcho-Primitivism

> Some moralizing tendencies

I believe that this may be an understatement, Fahran. In all seriousness, I've tried to tone down my incessant moralizing, because apparently others find it to be insufferably annoying.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

As an acolyte of Kant, your politics are probably somewhat liberal comparatively. Classical liberalism with some moralizing tendencies would probably be the best option. I've thought about adding classical liberalism, but, again, I'm trying to cater to the regulars here. The current list still leaves out a lot of modes of right-wing thought.

Absolutist Monarchism/Constitutional Monarchism
Fascism/National Syndicalism
Paleo-Conservatism
Neo-Conservatism
Liberal Conservatism/Progressive Conservatism
Theocracy
Libertarianism
Anarcho-Capitalism/Anarcho-Primitivism

> Some moralizing tendencies

I believe that this may be an understatement, Fahran. In all seriousness, I've tried to tone down my incessant moralizing, because apparently others find it to be insufferably annoying.

Some people find my advocacy for Shari'ah annoying but you don't see me stopping, do you?
If moralizing is a value you hold be proud of it and show it.

[The Feylands]

Umm it is a single party based state. The CCP controls the entire political process. And the media. Allowing an occasional token opposition while ruthlessly crushing all real opposition is not free discussion. Free discussion within a context where one party is guaranteed control, and you can be arrested for your political opinions is impossible.

Sure it is not really about Communism, they are much closer to Fascism than Communism.

But we have that in the west as well. Some taboo opinions will get you booted from loans/jobs/banks and sometimes even land you in jail. They have the "People's Democratic Dictatorship" as their overreaching dogma and we simply call it "Democractic values" or something like that.

I mean, if we're to use this set of options, I suppose "liberal conservatism" would be best, but I must say that I'm rather dismayed at the fact that there's not an option that truly sums up my politics.

As an acolyte of Kant, your politics are probably somewhat liberal comparatively. Classical liberalism with some moralizing tendencies would probably be the best option. I've thought about adding classical liberalism, but, again, I'm trying to cater to the regulars here. The current list still leaves out a lot of modes of right-wing thought.

Absolutist Monarchism/Constitutional Monarchism
Fascism/National Syndicalism
Paleo-Conservatism
Neo-Conservatism
Liberal Conservatism/Progressive Conservatism
Theocracy
Libertarianism
Anarcho-Capitalism/Anarcho-Primitivism

Hmmm.... hmmm... could identify with several of these...

Dunno where I fit in.. depends on my mood I guess lol. Open to suggestions.

> Some moralizing tendencies

I believe that this may be an understatement, Fahran. In all seriousness, I've tried to tone down my incessant moralizing, because apparently others find it to be insufferably annoying.

I never moralize. Except when I do. Lol.

But that's what everyone else does too.

All laws are moral in nature, and "moralism" is not restricted to sex stuff etc... methinks...

[Aellex]

> Some moralizing tendencies

I believe that this may be an understatement, Fahran. In all seriousness, I've tried to tone down my incessant moralizing, because apparently others find it to be insufferably annoying.

Some people find my advocacy for Shari'ah annoying but you don't see me stopping, do you?
If moralizing is a value you hold be proud of it and show it.

That's... A really bad argument to make.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Some people find my advocacy for Shari'ah annoying but you don't see me stopping, do you?
If moralizing is a value you hold be proud of it and show it.

That's... A really bad argument to make.

True, there are exceptions, but in Supreme's case it works.

[The Feylands]

Yeh. I mean. Why would you want to castrate a slave with a collar around his neck?

Oh. I get it. Only men shall be allowed to enjoy their slaves.

That seems a tad bit unfair.

What are you talking about?

Must have missed this the other day. I meant that I suppose the reason for castrating male slaves in Islamic slavery was to avoid the woman/women in the household enjoying their slave/slaves in an "intimate" way? Because between a master and a female slave, that's allowed in Islam, right?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

That's... A really bad argument to make.

True, there are exceptions, but in Supreme's case it works.

> Calling me "Supreme"

Please pardon me if I seem impolite or nitpicky, but I prefer "The High Swaglord" or simply "Swaglord" as the brief form(s) of my NS Username.

[Yusseria]

You openly celebrate the Islamic conquests. You have no right at all to complain about people getting killed.

Considering they're literally my family in religion being killed, yes I do. And yes, I do like the Islamic conquests. Since when did that mean I liked every single aspect of them? Or even every single one? I've made clear before that some the stuff Muslims did to non-Muslims was horrific. That still doesn't explain your support or nonchalantness of thousands of people being massacred.

The Islamic conquests involved tens of thousands being killed. You don't seem to care much about that.

[Proctopeo]

Considering they're literally my family in religion being killed, yes I do. And yes, I do like the Islamic conquests. Since when did that mean I liked every single aspect of them? Or even every single one? I've made clear before that some the stuff Muslims did to non-Muslims was horrific. That still doesn't explain your support or nonchalantness of thousands of people being massacred.

The Islamic conquests involved tens of thousands being killed. You don't seem to care much about that.

yeah but they were berbers, mesopotamians, goths, and franks, they don't count
/s

[Greater Loegria]

The problem with celtic nationalist politics, and I speak as someone with significant Welsh and Scots Gaelic heritage is that it is dominated by the left; in fact its not so much 'nationalist' inasmuch as it is simply Anglophobic and Europhile. Ireland used to have a good vein of catholic conservatism under the likes of De Valera that I as a catholic had a limited degree of sympathy for despite the flagrant treachery of it all against the Crown. You also forget that 'celtic' is an exonym penned by the Greeks and Romans and as a result is actually very broad. I as a Welsh speaker before I began studying Gaelic literature at university could comprehend very little written or spoken Gaelic from either Scotland or Ireland. Celtic has two main strands, at least in British Isles and those are P-Celtic; (Welsh, Cumbrian, Breton and Cornish) and Q-Celtic; (Irish, Scots Gaelic and Manx) and though there are similarities they are very different families for the most part.

There is also a recent line of thinking that may suggest that some parts of England have always been Germanic such as the south East, referencing the lack of celtic toponymy, coinage and also a reassessment of Caesar's description of them cross referenced with what he had said about similar tribes in his 'Gallic Wars' may suggest that some tribes we thought were 'Celts' in both Northern 'Gaul' and England were in fact of German stock.

But yes the Celtic languages are very beautiful; especially to the ear. Gaelic has an extremely convoluted way of orthography that makes English spelling look straight forward but ho hum.

That's so sad. I guess it's some remnant of Cold War stuff... eh?

Strangely, as some sort of social conservative, I think quite like the policies of the DUP.. aside their position on Unionism and the protestant chauvinism and such. I could even say I find the Ulster flag very pleasant on an astetic level. But haven't really got why they can't live as a constitutional minority in Ireland. There's a lot of Swedes in Finland as well, they even have a bunch of islands where they have autonomy, and they don't seem to be suffering a lot. I suppose it's all just some ideology stuff masked as "culture".

I haven't really got a problem with strange orthography. I'm Swedish and no one can really pronounce our "u:s"... a sound I happen to like. But the same goes for the Th/Dh (and Ll) sounds that we sadly lost in our language today... But are everywhere in Welsh. I don't think they're in Irish/Godelic, no?

Not so much cold war, merely that conservatives in the UK tend to be loyal to the Crown and many people in Wales including my ancestors there lived in poverty so looked for a left leaning party to alleviate some of the appalling conditions that miners suffered in places like the Rhondda Valley; which was the plight of my forebears. My welsh family were devout methodists and loved the Queen et cetera but they wanted more economic security.
The DUP are ok, sectarian craic out of the way. I'm a staunch unionist so I'm with them all the way, I'm just a catholic so I have a few bones to pick with them on that. The problem in Ireland is that there are deep historical grievances and long lists of massacres and killings perpetrated by both sides. They can reconcile, I am a catholic mainlander and my girlfriend is a protestant ulster lass but there we go.
Strange orthography can be charming, but in Gaelic it amounts to a lot of letters being spelt and only a few syllables actually being said. There is a th sound in Gaelic but no ll.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What are you talking about?

Must have missed this the other day. I meant that I suppose the reason for castrating male slaves in Islamic slavery was to avoid the woman/women in the household enjoying their slave/slaves in an "intimate" way? Because between a master and a female slave, that's allowed in Islam, right?

Castration is Haraam. If that happens the slave should he freed.

True, there are exceptions, but in Supreme's case it works.

> Calling me "Supreme"

Please pardon me if I seem impolite or nitpicky, but I prefer "The High Swaglord" or simply "Swaglord" as the brief form(s) of my NS Username.

Nah it's ok. My apologies for getting it incorrect.

Considering they're literally my family in religion being killed, yes I do. And yes, I do like the Islamic conquests. Since when did that mean I liked every single aspect of them? Or even every single one? I've made clear before that some the stuff Muslims did to non-Muslims was horrific. That still doesn't explain your support or nonchalantness of thousands of people being massacred.

The Islamic conquests involved tens of thousands being killed. You don't seem to care much about that.

Nice unproven claim.

The Islamic conquests involved tens of thousands being killed. You don't seem to care much about that.

yeah but they were berbers, mesopotamians, goths, and franks, they don't count
/s

>Imazighen are Muslims too, so are Eastern and Southern Mesopotamians
Also don't put words in my mouth.

[Proctopeo]

yeah but they were berbers, mesopotamians, goths, and franks, they don't count
/s

>Imazighen are Muslims too, so are Eastern and Southern Mesopotamians
Also don't put words in my mouth.

In and around the time of Mohammed they were Christian and pagan fyi

[Washington Resistance Army]

>Imazighen are Muslims too, so are Eastern and Southern Mesopotamians
Also don't put words in my mouth.

In and around the time of Mohammed they were Christian and pagan fyi

Fake news, everyone is actually a Muslim before they get led astray. 179 lashes for this post.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Fake news, everyone is actually a Muslim before they get led astray. 179 lashes for this post.

You can’t do that! Only people in charge of the theocracy can do that!

[Conserative Morality]

Does evil deserve forgiveness? Is granting undeserved forgiveness unjust?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Fake news, everyone is actually a Muslim before they get led astray. 179 lashes for this post.

You can’t do that! Only people in charge of the theocracy can do that!

Actually they're supposed to be in charge of the country, so no, they wouldn't be enforcing the law that directly. That's what the police and courts do.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does evil deserve forgiveness? Is granting undeserved forgiveness unjust?

If someone makes a sincere apology and does a sufficient amount to make up for it, I believe they are worthy of my forgiveness.

[Conserative Morality]

Does evil deserve forgiveness? Is granting undeserved forgiveness unjust?

If someone makes a sincere apology and does a sufficient amount to make up for it, I believe they are worthy of my forgiveness.

What amount can be sufficient to make up for evil committed upon another? What could possibly be considered restitution for scars that never leave, memories that never fade, losses that can never be recovered?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If someone makes a sincere apology and does a sufficient amount to make up for it, I believe they are worthy of my forgiveness.

What amount can be sufficient to make up for evil committed upon another? What could possibly be considered restitution for scars that never leave, memories that never fade, losses that can never be recovered?

That's all up to the victim.

[Conserative Morality]

That's all up to the victim.

Then the victim's judgement is absolute? Where lays their guilt, their justice? Is there no sense of proportion of the punishments meted out by them, the punishments they decide are just?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That's all up to the victim.

Then the victim's judgement is absolute? Where lays their guilt, their justice? Is there no sense of proportion of the punishments meted out by them, the punishments they decide are just?

Are you talking about in terms of law or just forgiveness?

[Conserative Morality]

Then the victim's judgement is absolute? Where lays their guilt, their justice? Is there no sense of proportion of the punishments meted out by them, the punishments they decide are just?

Are you talking about in terms of law or just forgiveness?

In terms of morality.

[Hanafuridake]

And I suppose even Shinto had also been corrupted by bad imported western concepts. All from agnatic succession

The Prussian model of agnatic succession changed very little besides making the law much clearer in an era where the monarchy went from mostly sacral to wielding temporal power. In terms of the actual empresses who governed on their own, these were less than a dozen, all of whom were patrilineal members of the imperial household, and were the wives or sisters (sometimes both) of deceased emperors. You can't really blame the West for something that has been historically verifiable since the 6th century CE.

(doesn't make much sense when the basis of the claim is descendence from a goddess...? )

Japan is the land over which my descendants shall be sovereign. Go to rule it, my imperial grandson. Your dynastic line shall flourish coeval with heaven and earth.

The dynastic line was historically always considered to be patrilineal.

to women being "impure" due menstruation,

This is an idea which existed hundreds of years before Westernization, stemming from various belief systems (Confucianism, Buddhism, and some indigenous mountain worshiping folk beliefs). Blaming it on the West would only be possible with time traveling machines.

to this idea that the Emperor is descended from the kami of the Sun

This... isn't a Western imported idea.

(if kami and the spirit world are basically neither good or bad - how would that matter even if it was true?).

The Nihon Shoki directly speaks of “good kami that shone with a lustre like fireflies, and evil kami that buzzed like flies.” while Amaterasu addresses her brother (which one depends on the account) by stating that “you are an evil kami.” and running away from him. These all contradict the popular misconception of an amoral pantheon.

I'd like to think that the animistic traditions of the people are quite all right, in fact.

The animistic traditions aren't separate from other religious beliefs like how some liberals would like to believe. Animism in Japan has always been directly linked with the reverence for personal gods, and the Tendai & Shingon schools both accommodated animism through their beliefs in immanent Buddhahood for all animate and inanimate beings.

The Ainu for instance, could be part of the Chinese in a broad sense, in a way that's perhaps not really possible with having a nation state.

This is just irredentist trite that has no real basis besides the Ainu submitting to tributary status to the Mongols after several brutal wars.