Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Hakons]

These are the wholesome posts I want in the RWDT

Nihilistic Far Rightist posts fit my mood as of late better, though.

>tear jerking posts about the glory of motherhood and all that we owe to them

>Nihilistic despair sadposts

Make your choice, right-wingers, make your choice

[Duhon]

Which was directly correlated to the rise of neoliberal economics as national and international financial policy. Mass enfranchisement had nothing to do with wage stagnation in mich of the world, only cupidity and greed.

Which is actually an argument in favor of what I'm saying, not against it.

Bad policies which the masses have had nary a hand in make your point tenable?

[Duhon]

Well, since I'm around, might as well ask the people of the RWDT: what do you think of Orban's Hungary?

[Conserative Morality]

Well, since I'm around, might as well ask the people of the RWDT: what do you think of Orban's Hungary?

Needs to be liberated.

[Hakons]

Reminder

There's a difference between having a nihilistic outlook on life as opposed to adopting Nihilism as a governing philosophy.

A nihilistic outlook on life is an outlook of death. If nothing matters, then your life doesn't matter, and you're just waiting to kick the bucket, which in the grand scheme of things will be in the blink of an eye. That's not a way to live, but a way to struggle, fail, and die.

[Duhon]

Well, since I'm around, might as well ask the people of the RWDT: what do you think of Orban's Hungary?

Needs to be liberated.

Yeah, but you're to Orban's left. I mean, surely you'd blanch at this sort of description about the state of Magyar education today, in the same way a self-respecting (and by that he could care less about other people) "populist" would probably see an opportunity:

This grim vision is becoming Hungary’s reality. Orbán has lowered the age at which compulsory education ends from 18 to 16, triggering a spike in high-school dropouts. Textbooks and curricula, once the domain of municipalities, have been centralized and now inculcate the regime’s politics. “The government is quite clear that patriotic education is as important as transferring knowledge,” Péter Kréko, the political analyst, told me. An eighth-grade history book praises Orbán as a “foundational figure.” A high-school textbook opens a section on “multiculturalism” with an image of refugees huddled at the Budapest train station, accompanied by a quotation from the prime minister: “We consider it a value that Hungary is a homogeneous country.”

The country’s universities, which had been free, have begun charging tuition, and the cost now exceeds the reach of most Hungarians. Hungary used to have the highest level of university enrollment in postcommunist Europe; it now has one of the lowest. Once-great institutions have become venues for cronyism. Law students are more likely to receive stipends if they study at the one institution filled with Fidesz loyalists.

This assault has helped create conditions that many Hungarians simply can’t abide. Nearly 1 million have emigrated over the past decade—a trend that began before Orbán assumed power but has accelerated in the years since. It’s a stunning number, considering that Hungary’s total population is less than 10 million. Many of these exiles are college-educated. Every intellectual in Budapest can list the names of fellow intellectuals who have gone off to places like Berlin or Salzburg.

[Napkizemlja]

I like how working for a market research firm has turned one of my friends against universal enfranchisement.

20% of Americans don't know beef comes from Cows and 7% think Chocolate milk is from brown cows.

That these people get to decide who controls the nuclear football is a damn travesty.

Actually he isn't basing it off of how knowledgeable they are. He told me it's mainly because many of the same people that bitch and moan about never being able to voice their views, opinions, etc are the ones most likely refusing to participate in polls etc, especially the asshole ones. He told me he's more willing to give the vote to someone who is a bit ignorant but at least is willing to participate and doesn't bitch about things over someone who does know a lot but just mopes around and whines.

[Napkizemlja]

Well, since I'm around, might as well ask the people of the RWDT: what do you think of Orban's Hungary?

Indifference, mainly. People make him out to be a bigger boogeyman than he really is.

[Novus America]

Which is actually an argument in favor of what I'm saying, not against it.

Bad policies which the masses have had nary a hand in make your point tenable?

Hardly.
The masses gladly support outsourcing and buying “cheap” goods from China, ignoring the obvious fact that the real cost is much higher than the sticker cost.

It is the outsourcing to China that caused the wealth inequality and wage stagnation.
Outsourcing we all are guilty of.

Every time you buy anything made in China, it is blow against wages, causes greater inequality, environmental destruction, and is a another nail in the coffin of the west.

Look around you at the “made in” tags and you will see who caused this.
You, me, all of us.

The corporations will do anything to make a profit.
So if we make perverse system in which making a profit requires destroying the west they will oblige of course.
They are guilty of using a bad system to get rich, but we are guilty of creating and mindlessly supporting that system with our greed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Well, since I'm around, might as well ask the people of the RWDT: what do you think of Orban's Hungary?

Generally favorable but there's some stuff I dislike about them.

[Duhon]

Well, since I'm around, might as well ask the people of the RWDT: what do you think of Orban's Hungary?

Generally favorable but there's some stuff I dislike about them.

Such as?

[Duhon]

Bad policies which the masses have had nary a hand in make your point tenable?

Hardly.
The masses gladly support outsourcing and buying “cheap” goods from China, ignoring the obvious fact that the real cost is much higher than the sticker cost.

It is the outsourcing to China that caused the wealth inequality and wage stagnation.
Outsourcing we all are guilty of.

Every time you buy anything made in China, it is blow against wages, causes greater inequality, environmental destruction, and is a another nail in the coffin of the west.

Look around you at the “made in” tags and you will see who caused this.
You, me, all of us.

The corporations will do anything to make a profit.
So if we make perverse system in which making a profit requires destroying the west they will oblige of course.
They are guilty of using a bad system to get rich, but we are guilty of creating and mindlessly supporting that system with our greed.

Should I point out that the vast majority of Westerners are not and have never been policymakers?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Generally favorable but there's some stuff I dislike about them.

Such as?

Economics for one. They'd be better off shifting more towards the left on that topic ie nationalization and such things.

[Novus America]

Hardly.
The masses gladly support outsourcing and buying “cheap” goods from China, ignoring the obvious fact that the real cost is much higher than the sticker cost.

It is the outsourcing to China that caused the wealth inequality and wage stagnation.
Outsourcing we all are guilty of.

Every time you buy anything made in China, it is blow against wages, causes greater inequality, environmental destruction, and is a another nail in the coffin of the west.

Look around you at the “made in” tags and you will see who caused this.
You, me, all of us.

The corporations will do anything to make a profit.
So if we make perverse system in which making a profit requires destroying the west they will oblige of course.
They are guilty of using a bad system to get rich, but we are guilty of creating and mindlessly supporting that system with our greed.

Should I point out that the vast majority of Westerners are not and have never been policymakers?

Does not matter. We were not forced by policy makers to buy Chinese goods. We chose to buy them.
And we chose our policy makers.

In a democracy everyone is collectively guilty for the crimes of the leaders.
We chose bad leaders and gladly embraced bad policies, gladly shut down our own factories.

There was a time not so long ago when you could buy “cheaper” Chinese goods our more “expensive” American ones. Had we only bought the American ones none of this would have happened.

It was not the policy makers who bought most of the outsourced goods. It was us.

[Totally Not OEP]

Which is actually an argument in favor of what I'm saying, not against it.

Bad policies which the masses have had nary a hand in make your point tenable?

You mean the policies they supported by spending the last 40 years voting for?

[Novus America]

Bad policies which the masses have had nary a hand in make your point tenable?

You mean the policies they supported by spending the last 40 years voting for?

And literally paying for. We voted for and willingly bought this. Now we are paying the real price. The price on the sticker is not the real price.
We should have known that.
I did.

I am not that smart. But I saw this train coming nearly 20 years ago.
What did we think was going to come from outsourcing our best paying jobs to cheap labor overseas?

[Benuty]

So rereading Mrs. Devi's Wikipedia link made things a little clearer, and apparently Neo-Nazi might not be an applicable title especially if she was one while Hitler was around. She basically became an Indian sympathizer, and Hindu out of the belief of theirs being the inherently supreme belief system especially concerning the Nazi fetishization of their interpretation of the Aryans. Amazingly for Wikipedia, the article is decently neutral, and a good read if you have the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi

I am not arguing sympathy for the viewpoints she espouses, but sometimes editors on Wikipedia articles concerning ideologues especially off the kilt ideologies can blur the line between neutral reporting, and needlessly mudslinging. On a point of discussion, what is it with Nazi's, and the fetishization of Indian culture?

[Benuty]

Such as?

Economics for one. They'd be better off shifting more towards the left on that topic ie nationalization and such things.

Personally they could do worse, but honestly, I don't understand why the French, and Germans are surprised that the eastern European members of the EU are shockingly not going to conform to their views on migration. The eastern Europeans have always been against conformity when pressured whether it be at the hands of the west or east. The Soviets, for example, experienced numerous problems maintaining rigid control of their "client states" in the fifties, and sixties. Catholicism in Poland became such a sticking point it got a pope in Power.

[Duhon]

Economics for one. They'd be better off shifting more towards the left on that topic ie nationalization and such things.

Personally they could do worse, but honestly, I don't understand why the French, and Germans are surprised that the eastern European members of the EU are shockingly not going to conform to their views on migration. The eastern Europeans have always been against conformity when pressured whether it be at the hands of the west or east. The Soviets, for example, experienced numerous problems maintaining rigid control of their "client states" in the fifties, and sixties. Catholicism in Poland became such a sticking point it got a pope in Power.

The migration crisis was a convenient springboard for Orban, the better to solidify Fidesz' authoritarian hold on Hungary. Dicks will always dick, but they have to have an issue with which to go full dick on.

If what happened since Fidesz gained power is a part of a general eastern European reaction against outside forces telling them what to do and how to run things, then Orban has played his hand remarkably well, to his benefit, to his party's benefit, to the benefit of Magyars who identify with his authoritarianism... and to almost no one else inside Hungary.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So rereading Mrs. Devi's Wikipedia link made things a little clearer, and apparently Neo-Nazi might not be an applicable title especially if she was one while Hitler was around. She basically became an Indian sympathizer, and Hindu out of the belief of theirs being the inherently supreme belief system especially concerning the Nazi fetishization of their interpretation of the Aryans. Amazingly for Wikipedia, the article is decently neutral, and a good read if you have the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi

I am not arguing sympathy for the viewpoints she espouses, but sometimes editors on Wikipedia articles concerning ideologues especially off the kilt ideologies can blur the line between neutral reporting, and needlessly mudslinging. On a point of discussion, what is it with Nazi's, and the fetishization of Indian culture?

My understanding is that northern light skinned Indians are seen as Aryan and their culture is less influenced by Christianity and therefore Judaism compared to European cultures and thus more natural. Could be totes wrong but that's how I understand it, such mindsets are also why polytheistic revivalism has become ever increasingly more popular among such sorts.

[Hanafuridake]

On a point of discussion, what is it with Nazi's, and the fetishization of Indian culture?

General fascination with Eastern religion combined with the Aryan Invasion Theory. The idea being that the caste system was established by some blonde haired blue eyed Nordic's on chariots who conquered India in the past, but were vanquished through mixing with the inferior races over time, hence the Nazis felt like they found their kindred spirits. Savitri Devi's fetishization of Hinduism wasn't universal. Rosenberg believed that the fall of the Aryan Race in India coincided with the beginning of Hinduism and the concept of Brahman.

[Nea Byzantia]

Most likely either the British would starve out the Germans, or the French break first and a white peace is signed. Though Brest-Litovsk would likely still stand in the latter case.
A German victory would require changes much earlier than 1917 to be remotely plausible.

I disagree. Brest-Litovsk allowed for millions of German ( and Austrian ) troops to be freed up to travel westward. The French were only able to hold on to a stalemate with the German army - whose own forces and supplies had been virtually halved throughout the duration of the war. With a reinforced and reinvigorated German front, the already demoralized and battered Entente ( specifically French ) likely would have been out right defeated or surrendered due to the sudden hopelessness of the situation. Without France, there would be essentially no hope of an Entente victory.

If only the Tsar and the Kaiser had found a way to work together instead of sending their peoples to slaughter each other. Lest you all think that that's impossible, please see below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of ... e_Emperors

[Salus Maior]

I disagree. Brest-Litovsk allowed for millions of German ( and Austrian ) troops to be freed up to travel westward. The French were only able to hold on to a stalemate with the German army - whose own forces and supplies had been virtually halved throughout the duration of the war. With a reinforced and reinvigorated German front, the already demoralized and battered Entente ( specifically French ) likely would have been out right defeated or surrendered due to the sudden hopelessness of the situation. Without France, there would be essentially no hope of an Entente victory.

If only the Tsar and the Kaiser had found a way to work together instead of sending their peoples to slaughter each other. Lest you all think that that's impossible, please see below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of ... e_Emperors

Well, the Tsar and Kaiser weren't as in control of their countries as people think.

In fact, iirc Kaiser Wilhelm tried to establish an alliance with Russia prior to WWI, but it was shot down by the German foreign ministry.

[Novus America]

I disagree. Brest-Litovsk allowed for millions of German ( and Austrian ) troops to be freed up to travel westward. The French were only able to hold on to a stalemate with the German army - whose own forces and supplies had been virtually halved throughout the duration of the war. With a reinforced and reinvigorated German front, the already demoralized and battered Entente ( specifically French ) likely would have been out right defeated or surrendered due to the sudden hopelessness of the situation. Without France, there would be essentially no hope of an Entente victory.

If only the Tsar and the Kaiser had found a way to work together instead of sending their peoples to slaughter each other. Lest you all think that that's impossible, please see below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of ... e_Emperors

It was not going to work.
The Russian Empire wanted East Prussia, and Germany wanted to expand East.

Neither was pleased with the borders.

Plus both were fighting for influence over the Balkans an Ottoman lands.

Their foreign policies were opposed.

Also the German Emperor was not all powerful.
The military, Junker class, and bureaucracy had significant power.
The situation was also similar in Russia at the time.

[Tornado Queendom]

If only the Tsar and the Kaiser had found a way to work together instead of sending their peoples to slaughter each other. Lest you all think that that's impossible, please see below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of ... e_Emperors

It was not going to work.
The Russian Empire wanted East Prussia, and Germany wanted to expand East.

Neither was pleased with the borders.

Plus both were fighting for influence over the Balkans an Ottoman lands.

Their foreign policies were opposed.

Also the German Emperor was not all powerful.
The military, Junker class, and bureaucracy had significant power.
The situation was also similar in Russia at the time.

Yeah, and Russia stole Konigsberg in WWII.