Right Wing Discussion Thread XV: A New Hoppe

[Kowani]

Yes, and the sum of human history sucked to live in for most people.

And? That's not an argument in favor of Democracy.

Political representation gives the masses the power to make things not suck as much.

[Conserative Morality]

Democracy only works in a society where there is a pre-existing general consensus. Without that consensus, there is no basis for democracy.

[Totally Not OEP]

And? That's not an argument in favor of Democracy.

Political representation gives the masses the power to make things not suck as much.

and the proof of this is?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Political representation gives the masses the power to make things not suck as much.

and the proof of this is?

The affluence of the west.

[Duhon]

Political representation gives the masses the power to make things not suck as much.

and the proof of this is?

The United States, some of the time.

[Kowani]

Political representation gives the masses the power to make things not suck as much.

and the proof of this is?

Would you prefer to live in Spain during or after Franco?

[Novus America]

Considering that mass disenfranchisement has been the sum of human history until about the 1990s, yes.

Yes, and the sum of human history sucked to live in for most people.

You can have a republic with elections, and still have reasonable requirements for voting.

That’ll never be abused.
Also, what constitutes a “reasonable requirement”?

Anything can be abused, that is just a slippery slope argument.
But as for reasonable requirement passing a basic civics class and civics test, and completing national service, and not being in jail for a crime.
Also expats should not be able to vote.
Unless you are deployed for military or government reasons, you should be required to spend at least 6 months a year where you vote.

[Duhon]

and the proof of this is?

Would you prefer to live in Spain during or after Franco?

Up the ante, please.

[Totally Not OEP]

and the proof of this is?

The affluence of the west.

Which, until relatively recently, did not practice universal franchise; hell, in the United States itself that's only something that has emerged within the last 60 years.

[Totally Not OEP]

and the proof of this is?

Would you prefer to live in Spain during or after Franco?

During, the growth rates associated by the end of the regime had economists proclaiming that Franocist Spain was single handedly reviving Third Position economics.

[Duhon]

Would you prefer to live in Spain during or after Franco?

During, the growth rates associated by the end of the regime had economists proclaiming that Franocist Spain was single handedly reviving Third Position economics.

So offer enough people to the bloody altar of bloody-mindedness and poof comes the cash!

[Kowani]

Yes, and the sum of human history sucked to live in for most people.


That’ll never be abused.
Also, what constitutes a “reasonable requirement”?

Anything can be abused, that is just a slippery slope argument.

A slippery slope argument is valid if one can show that the underlying concerns have happened.
Case in point; Literacy tests.

But as for reasonable requirement passing a passing a basic civics class and civics test, and completing national service, and not being in jail for a crime.

That won’t prevent large scale political change.

Also expats should not be able to vote.
Unless you are deployed for military or government reasons, you should be required to spend at least 6 months a year where you vote.

Why not?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

The affluence of the west.

Which, until relatively recently, did not practice universal franchise; hell, in the United States itself that's only something that has emerged within the last 60 years.

And it's been a 60 years of unprecedented improvement in living standards.

[Duhon]

Which, until relatively recently, did not practice universal franchise; hell, in the United States itself that's only something that has emerged within the last 60 years.

And it's been a 60 years of unprecedented improvement in living standards.

Now, now, that's bad because reasons.

[Totally Not OEP]

Which, until relatively recently, did not practice universal franchise; hell, in the United States itself that's only something that has emerged within the last 60 years.

And it's been a 60 years of unprecedented improvement in living standards.

Except it's not; wages stagnated 40 years ago for the most part and minorities are on track to have zero net worth. Likewise, in the past 60 years we've seen Communist China, a nation that most definitely does not have a franchise, nevermind a universal franchise for that matter, rise to the second highest GDP among all nations. The Gulf States, meanwhile, are among the highest in terms of GDP per capita.

Correlation does not equal causation.

[Totally Not OEP]

During, the growth rates associated by the end of the regime had economists proclaiming that Franocist Spain was single handedly reviving Third Position economics.

So offer enough people to the bloody altar of bloody-mindedness and poof comes the cash!

Which is literally the story of every single nation in existence, the only difference being how recent the timing was.

[Novus America]

Anything can be abused, that is just a slippery slope argument.

A slippery slope argument is valid if one can show that the underlying concerns have happened.
Case in point; Literacy tests.

But as for reasonable requirement passing a passing a basic civics class and civics test, and completing national service, and not being in jail for a crime.

That won’t prevent large scale political change.

Also expats should not be able to vote.
Unless you are deployed for military or government reasons, you should be required to spend at least 6 months a year where you vote.

Why not?

Just because something was abused in the past does not automatically make it invalid.
It just means you have to be careful to prevent the abuses.

And expats have more interests in supporting the place of their residence, instead of the US.
So they should vote where, and only where they have chosen to make their home.
We generally have residency requirements for voters, of course.

[Kowani]

Would you prefer to live in Spain during or after Franco?

During, the growth rates associated by the end of the regime had economists proclaiming that Franocist Spain was single handedly reviving Third Position economics.

Yes, because that’s the only measure of whether to live somewhere or not.

[Communist Zombie Horde]

These are the wholesome posts I want in the RWDT

Nihilistic Far Rightist posts fit my mood as of late better, though.

They are more refreshing than the muh morals posts.

[Totally Not OEP]

During, the growth rates associated by the end of the regime had economists proclaiming that Franocist Spain was single handedly reviving Third Position economics.

Yes, because that’s the only measure of whether to live somewhere or not.

Yes because at the end of the day we all need to eat.

[Duhon]

And it's been a 60 years of unprecedented improvement in living standards.

Except it's not; wages stagnated 40 years ago for the most part and minorities are on track to have zero net worth. Likewise, in the past 60 years we've seen Communist China, a nation that most definitely does not have a franchise, nevermind a universal franchise for that matter, rise to the second highest GDP among all nations. The Gulf States, meanwhile, are among the highest in terms of GDP per capita.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Which was directly correlated to the rise of neoliberal economics as national and international financial policy. Mass enfranchisement had nothing to do with wage stagnation in mich of the world, only cupidity and greed.

[Duhon]

Yes, because that’s the only measure of whether to live somewhere or not.

Yes because at the end of the day we all need to eat.

And if it has to be soylent green, then at least it was meat.

[Diopolis]

and the proof of this is?

Would you prefer to live in Spain during or after Franco?

During. Especially if I can keep the technology and higher GDP that comes from being after the nineties.

[Totally Not OEP]

Except it's not; wages stagnated 40 years ago for the most part and minorities are on track to have zero net worth. Likewise, in the past 60 years we've seen Communist China, a nation that most definitely does not have a franchise, nevermind a universal franchise for that matter, rise to the second highest GDP among all nations. The Gulf States, meanwhile, are among the highest in terms of GDP per capita.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Which was directly correlated to the rise of neoliberal economics as national and international financial policy. Mass enfranchisement had nothing to do with wage stagnation in mich of the world, only cupidity and greed.

Which is actually an argument in favor of what I'm saying, not against it.

[Diopolis]

Which, until relatively recently, did not practice universal franchise; hell, in the United States itself that's only something that has emerged within the last 60 years.

And it's been a 60 years of unprecedented improvement in living standards.

Actually the largest improvement in living standards came before universal franchise was a thing in most of the US.
I live in Texas, in a house from the fifties. My parents live in the same area, in a house from the nineties. Our houses are noticeably different- mine is smaller(albeit I deliberately chose a smaller house because I have less crap to store, to an extent), for example- but both houses are noticeably at around the same standard of living. The same would not be true if my house had been built in the thirties.